Brexit Phase Two - Trade

Some myth.

About 1 in 7 German cars are sold in the UK


Our trade deficit with the EU in goods and services with the EU is about £70 billion. (Same reference link as above). As such, the EU will be hurt slightly worse than the UK by an interruption in trade.

Wordsmith

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Toyota is the worlds 2nd largest car maker, yet it sold only 85,000 cars in Germany in 2017.
By comparison, Toyota sold some 125,000 cars in the UK in 2017.
Honda car sales in Germany in 2017 were a mere 20,000, compared to 54,000 in the UK.

The reality of the EU car maker is with the exception of the UK, its very parochial. Germans buy German cars, French buy French cars and so forth. Any reduction in German car sales in the UK can be made up by domestic Japanese makers and Hyundai, the 'mass market' far eastern brand.
 
Must be said to have reached an advanced age such as yours only to realise you wasted your life.


Never mind - take comfort you’ll be more useful as fertiliser than you were as a ”living”, breathing, human.
Indeed, I'm very said. Now, this brain damage of yours..
 

Wordsmith

LE
Book Reviewer
So just so we’re clear, you believe EU members won’t hurt themselves economically for the sake of politics, but you believe the U.K. will?
Both sides are headed for economic turbulence. And both sides will semi-permanently lose part of their export markets as consumers find alternative sources of supply.

This - to follow on on the German car example - will result in German cars being replaced in the UK market by US imports and domestic production of Japanese models. If imports of German cars resume, the German car makers will take years to recover their market share - and in all probability will never recover all of it.

The UK might lose passporting rights for some financial services, losing access to the European market, although financial industry experts have been flagging that the sudden loss of liquidity might put a strain on European banks.

Wordsmith
 
Both sides are headed for economic turbulence. And both sides will semi-permanently lose part of their export markets as consumers find alternative sources of supply.

This - to follow on on the German car example - will result in German cars being replaced in the UK market by US imports and domestic production of Japanese models. If imports of German cars resume, the German car makers will take years to recover their market share - and in all probability will never recover all of it.

The UK might lose passporting rights for some financial services, losing access to the European market, although financial industry experts have been flagging that the sudden loss of liquidity might put a strain on European banks.

Wordsmith
You could have just said “Yes” you know ^^
 
At your advanced age, it’s wise to keep an eye out for small semantic errors such as these.
Small, semantic? An error is an error. A failure. Let us assume, for one laughable moment, that you had to write out some instructions. Have you got enough money to pay off anyone who successfully sues you for negligence/incompetence?
 
So, it's pretty clear that there are no benefits to brexit for the UK.

When the lies are stripped away, all that's left are xenophobia, exceptionalism and irrational hatred of the EU
Excuse me but my hatred of the Eu is entirely rational. I consider it to be undemocratic. Amongst a load of other things.

The main benefit of Brexit is that it is what the majority of those who could be bothered actually voted for, plain and simple.
 
There are very substantial infrastructure improvements being made on the roads to the cross channel crossing points on the European side of the Channel. Numbers of large truck stops are being built inland and routes marked for inspection stops.
Whilst 'remain' seem to believe 'nothing will change' next year, the French and Belgians it would seem are not of that opinion.
A sentiment echoed by the Chairman of PSA.
 
People didn't vote deliberately to be poorer when voting for New Labour.

People slag them off nearly a decade after leaving office.

Every study predicts brexit will make the UK poorer. Add friction and bin all current trade deals by leaving the EU it's not rocket science to predict the outcome.

I just posted the impact on 900k automotive jobs.

Do you think many of them will think it's worth it for constitutional reasons if they end up on the dole.

I say again, most people simply want to get on.

There's no brexit dividend. Only more austerity, or possibly a Corbyn premiership making things even worse.

The brexit voting areas who've been left behind are shooting themselves in the foot.

Negative Brexit forecasts revealed

Parts of the UK that backed a Leave vote would face the heaviest hit as a result of Brexit, according to estimates by government officials.
We had negative predictions before the vote, yet people still voted out.

As yourself why that might be.
 
END OF MERKEL would trigger 'uncontrollable' EU-wide break-up: Europe fears 'nightmare'

THE biggest threat to the EU is the imminent collapse of Angela Merkel's fragile coalition, which would lead to a Europe-wide breakup "in an uncontrollable way" according to a leading left-wing and pro-EU commentator.


PUBLISHED: By Oli Smith, EXPRESS.CO.UK, on Monday 18 June 2018.

END OF MERKEL would trigger 'uncontrollable' EU-wide break-up: Europe fears 'nightmare'
On the principle, that the more times I post the following, the better the chance that it might be noticed by those nice people in Whitehall who monitor this thread ;)

It may be appropriate to repeat the contents of an earlier post . . .

It is to be hoped that someone within our BREXIT team, is pencilling-in the idea of a purely economic, simply-for-trade, "Northern Economic Community" (NEC).

We can/have always worked well with the three Scandinavian countries, to which should be included Finland - now that it has (been allowed to) find/found its "own voice".

The "Visegrad Four", will be as disillusioned as anyone, finding themselves part of "The EuroSSR". Not quite what they expected after the SSSR.

It will probably be a minority suggestion, but purely on the grounds of practical, defence viability, the three Baltic States would add/complete, a geographical, coherent, whole, virtually surrounding the North Sea and the Baltic Sea.

With the remaining southern states/north Mediterranean countries; and, the three BeNeLux countries; faced with the only alternative of the Franco-German axis, it would be interesting to speculate to which group they would then all gravitate.

We ALL stay within NATO . . . obviously!
 
Crivens!
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I just read that, which makes me think
You didn’t...

A/ all the options proposed require checkpoints

B/ all the examples cited have checkpoints

C/ there is no mention at all of the GFA

D/ it is NOT the EU’s own study. It is a briefing paper exploring options. As the disclaimer makes clear




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Wordsmith

LE
Book Reviewer
Page 39.
This report demonstrates that if the re-instatement of a border is handled in the same way as present external EU borders, it will have severe impact on EU-UK trade due to the volume of goods and people passing the border and due to the lack of a proper infrastructure for border formalities.
English translation. If a hard border is imposed it will fornicate the ROI's economy. In the event of a hard Brexit, the UK would not be bound by EU law and could impose any form of border it liked. If it imposed a soft border, the onus would be on the ROI to impose a hard border on its side, thus frnuicating its economy to obey the EU.

The EU doesn't want the UK to impose a soft border on its side because goods would be smuggled across the border from the UK to the ROI and thence to the wider EU, driving a coach and horses through the protectionist tariffs used to protect domestic producers in the single market.

Note that the EU is not worried about the UK's borders with France, Holland and so on because this form of smuggling would not be so much of a problem there.

Wordsmith
 
Excuse me but my hatred of the Eu is entirely rational. I consider it to be undemocratic. Amongst a load of other things.

The main benefit of Brexit is that it is what the majority of those who could be bothered actually voted for, plain and simple.
I’ve just ( briefly) unignored baglock s post, to get the full gist of yours.
The amount of unsupported projection is very similar to Cathy Newman on C4.
( just before she was evicerated byJordan Peterson).
Such a profound lack of knowledge combined with utter certainty of what it/ she/ he, thinks is right, is rather sad, but hey most of the EU’s cheerleaders on here ( not all) ,are a strangely unappealing bunch come to think of it.
There one saving grace is it is unlikely any have , or ever will conduct a trade deal. Thank goodness.
 
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