Brexit Phase Two - Trade

So, it's pretty clear that there are no benefits to brexit for the UK.

When the lies are stripped away, all that's left are xenophobia, exceptionalism and irrational hatred of the EU
Excuse me but my hatred of the Eu is entirely rational. I consider it to be undemocratic. Amongst a load of other things.

The main benefit of Brexit is that it is what the majority of those who could be bothered actually voted for, plain and simple.
 
There are very substantial infrastructure improvements being made on the roads to the cross channel crossing points on the European side of the Channel. Numbers of large truck stops are being built inland and routes marked for inspection stops.
Whilst 'remain' seem to believe 'nothing will change' next year, the French and Belgians it would seem are not of that opinion.
A sentiment echoed by the Chairman of PSA.
 
People didn't vote deliberately to be poorer when voting for New Labour.

People slag them off nearly a decade after leaving office.

Every study predicts brexit will make the UK poorer. Add friction and bin all current trade deals by leaving the EU it's not rocket science to predict the outcome.

I just posted the impact on 900k automotive jobs.

Do you think many of them will think it's worth it for constitutional reasons if they end up on the dole.

I say again, most people simply want to get on.

There's no brexit dividend. Only more austerity, or possibly a Corbyn premiership making things even worse.

The brexit voting areas who've been left behind are shooting themselves in the foot.

Negative Brexit forecasts revealed

Parts of the UK that backed a Leave vote would face the heaviest hit as a result of Brexit, according to estimates by government officials.
We had negative predictions before the vote, yet people still voted out.

As yourself why that might be.
 
END OF MERKEL would trigger 'uncontrollable' EU-wide break-up: Europe fears 'nightmare'

THE biggest threat to the EU is the imminent collapse of Angela Merkel's fragile coalition, which would lead to a Europe-wide breakup "in an uncontrollable way" according to a leading left-wing and pro-EU commentator.


PUBLISHED: By Oli Smith, EXPRESS.CO.UK, on Monday 18 June 2018.

END OF MERKEL would trigger 'uncontrollable' EU-wide break-up: Europe fears 'nightmare'
On the principle, that the more times I post the following, the better the chance that it might be noticed by those nice people in Whitehall who monitor this thread ;)

It may be appropriate to repeat the contents of an earlier post . . .

It is to be hoped that someone within our BREXIT team, is pencilling-in the idea of a purely economic, simply-for-trade, "Northern Economic Community" (NEC).

We can/have always worked well with the three Scandinavian countries, to which should be included Finland - now that it has (been allowed to) find/found its "own voice".

The "Visegrad Four", will be as disillusioned as anyone, finding themselves part of "The EuroSSR". Not quite what they expected after the SSSR.

It will probably be a minority suggestion, but purely on the grounds of practical, defence viability, the three Baltic States would add/complete, a geographical, coherent, whole, virtually surrounding the North Sea and the Baltic Sea.

With the remaining southern states/north Mediterranean countries; and, the three BeNeLux countries; faced with the only alternative of the Franco-German axis, it would be interesting to speculate to which group they would then all gravitate.

We ALL stay within NATO . . . obviously!
 
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I just read that, which makes me think
You didn’t...

A/ all the options proposed require checkpoints

B/ all the examples cited have checkpoints

C/ there is no mention at all of the GFA

D/ it is NOT the EU’s own study. It is a briefing paper exploring options. As the disclaimer makes clear




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Page 39.
This report demonstrates that if the re-instatement of a border is handled in the same way as present external EU borders, it will have severe impact on EU-UK trade due to the volume of goods and people passing the border and due to the lack of a proper infrastructure for border formalities.
English translation. If a hard border is imposed it will fornicate the ROI's economy. In the event of a hard Brexit, the UK would not be bound by EU law and could impose any form of border it liked. If it imposed a soft border, the onus would be on the ROI to impose a hard border on its side, thus frnuicating its economy to obey the EU.

The EU doesn't want the UK to impose a soft border on its side because goods would be smuggled across the border from the UK to the ROI and thence to the wider EU, driving a coach and horses through the protectionist tariffs used to protect domestic producers in the single market.

Note that the EU is not worried about the UK's borders with France, Holland and so on because this form of smuggling would not be so much of a problem there.

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Excuse me but my hatred of the Eu is entirely rational. I consider it to be undemocratic. Amongst a load of other things.

The main benefit of Brexit is that it is what the majority of those who could be bothered actually voted for, plain and simple.
I’ve just ( briefly) unignored baglock s post, to get the full gist of yours.
The amount of unsupported projection is very similar to Cathy Newman on C4.
( just before she was evicerated byJordan Peterson).
Such a profound lack of knowledge combined with utter certainty of what it/ she/ he, thinks is right, is rather sad, but hey most of the EU’s cheerleaders on here ( not all) ,are a strangely unappealing bunch come to think of it.
There one saving grace is it is unlikely any have , or ever will conduct a trade deal. Thank goodness.
 
This would be the very same border proposal explicitly rejected by HMG?

Gosh, I wonder why that could be? :biggrin:

"We have been clear all along that we don’t want to go back to a hard border in Ireland. We have ruled out any physical infrastructure at the border, or any related checks and controls. "

PM speech on our future economic partnership with the European Union

Yet in your report you seem to think is the solution...

Mobile Control and Inspection Units - checks and controls
Technical surveillance of border (CCTV, ANPR etc) - physical infrastructure

"At the border the mobile phone of the driver is recognized/identified and a release -note is sent to the mobile phone with a permit to pass the border that opens the gate automatically when the vehicle is identified, potentially by an automatic number plate registration system." - physical infrastructure

"SmartGates: The use of smart gates or fast-scanning or machine reading technologies to facilitate the fast movement of persons through the border and to support risk management." - physical infrastructure

"If travelling through one of the major crossings, special lanes can be established for people travelling under the CTA supported by the technologies outlined below.." - physical infra...

..oh what's the point. You've clearly decided the EU has the solution over HMGs own position.

It is indeed a curious Brexit when Leavers are championing the EU's solution over HMGs own policy. Your lack of patriotism is noted for when it all comes crashing down. =-D
 
I’ve just ( briefly) unignored baglock s post, to get the full gist of yours.
The amount of unsupported projection is very similar to Cathy Newman on C4.
( just before she was evicerated byJordan Peterson).
Such a profound lack of knowledge combined with utter certainty of what it/ she/ he, thinks is right, is rather sad, but hey most of the EU’s cheerleaders on here ( not all) ,are a strangely unappealing bunch come to think of it.
There one saving grace is it is unlikely any have , or ever will conduct a trade deal. Thank goodness.
A Peterson ”fan”. *chortle*.
 
The main benefit of Brexit is that it is what the majority of those who could be bothered actually voted for, plain and simple.
Ah yes, I remember the ballot slip well.

1) Remain in the European Union

2) Leave the European Union, except for the bits where we have to continue to contribute money to the EU until the year 2064, remain subject to the remit of the ECJ in matters of Citizenship, Aviation and Nuclear, probably judical and security co-operation, beg for continued access ot the European Arrest Warrant, continue to contribute to the EU in defence matters, further subdivide the Island of Ireland into areas where the Single Market and Customs Union shall continue to apply, retain taxation and regulatory alignment with the EU and mirror exactly their regulations to ensure supply chains remain aligned, remain a party to the ECHR and continue to have a political and diplomatic presence in the EU, just without any votes, while tanking the economy by about £15 billion a year that could otherwise be spent on the NHS.

Yeah, plain and simple. They were happier times. :biggrin:
 
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