Brexit Phase Two - Trade

'In development', yet no details appear to have been provided so far.

Suspect it will take more than 283 days to have a fully working and installed system in place. Hence, it is not a viable solution to 'no-deal' and WTO rules (the 'Mautitania model' favoured by the most devoted Leavers) - without a hard border.

It all seems a bit complicated....
The hardware is not the issue, but rather the software. Some of the software is ready now, some more is being tested and will be ready by Christmas (the timetable is actually for the end of November). It has all been developed 'in-house' rather than given to Fujitsu, for example. Jon Thompson initially quoted a modest sum and timetable, which quickly became a vastly inflated figure and timescale. Who got at him? Hammond?
 
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The hardware is not the issue, but rather the software. Some of the software is ready now, some more is being tested and will be ready by Christmas (the timetable is actually for the end of November). It has all been developed 'in-house' rather than given to Fujitsu, for example. Jon Thompson initially quoted a modest sum and timetable, which quickly became a vastly inflated figure and tinescale. Who got at him? Hammond?
How will software prevent someone with a transit van full of chlorinated chicken heading south? Or NZ lamb imported into Ireland under a quota heading north?( do they still make transit vans btw)
 
How will software prevent someone with a transit van full of chlorinated chicken heading south? Or NZ lamb imported into Ireland under a quota heading north?( do they still make transit vans btw)
How do you think it works now? Not everything that comes in from outside of the CU gets inspected, far from it. It is all checked based upon risk. The UK is not unique in this regard, it is common practice all over the EU.
 
How do you think it works now? Not everything that comes in from outside of the CU gets inspected, far from it. It is all checked based upon risk. The UK is not unique in this regard, it is common practice all over the EU.
Yes I realize that not everything is 100% checked

What I mean is: how are you going to carry out risk based searches / spot checks at the border without checkpoints - fixed or mobile.


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How do you think it works now? Not everything that comes in from outside of the CU gets inspected, far from it. It is all checked based upon risk. The UK is not unique in this regard, it is common practice all over the EU.
Is this how WTO rules work?

Would the risk assessment not change due to the circumstances?

UK slacks off its inspection regime. Every man and his dog decides to bring all manner of dodgy goods into the country?
 
Because people are the means by which goods and services move? Bit difficult to question a cargo or even a service?
Nope, it's the 21st century now. Think quota enforcement, tariff collection and adherence to regulatory standards. Some load of old cock about the past doesn't meet the needs of today.

And you still haven't addressed how the UK meets its commitments to the GFA.
 
"If only someone else sorted out my feckwittery" is how that sounds. Man up. Grow a set.
I've made the correct decision based on the facts at hand (and still at hand). And my own outlook. I have always anticipated and accepted that there will be some pain in the transition from EU diner state to being free from the EU yoke.
So the government’s ‘effective control’ of the border can be based on non-existent technology, for example?
would this be the technology that already exists and is in use in many ports of entry around the world...
 
USA / Canada....frictionless


You can use all the sophistry you like, but even ‘minimal checks’ means UK government officials will be stopping cars and goods vehicles at border checkpoints .

Only an idiot would consider such a plan sensible.

Not that most English Brexiters give a **** about NI (Losing NI ‘a price worth paying’ is a phrase I’ve seen several times ’)



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So the punchline for Brexit will be; we had to destroy the United Kingdom in order to save it.

Personally, I'm not convinced.

I also find the way the Tory party has turned into the 1970's Socialist Workers Party somwwhat of an eyebrow raiser, I mean, abolish the House of Lords and the hereditary principle in the UK, soak the rich to pay for the NHS - Corbyn doesn't even need an election to make his dreams come true.
 
Nope, it's the 21st century now. Think quota enforcement, tariff collection and adherence to regulatory standards. Some load of old cock about the past doesn't meet the needs of today.
same way as it is done all around the world. It's just change mate. Don't be afraid of it.
And you still haven't addressed how the UK meets its commitments to the GFA.
By leaving the border as is. Bilateral agreement. And saying t

o the EU 'You f*ck it all up if you want to, after all you f*ck everything else up that you touch'. And leave it at that.
 

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'In development', yet no details appear to have been provided so far.

Suspect it will take more than 283 days to have a fully working and installed system in place. Hence, it is not a viable solution to 'no-deal' and WTO rules (the 'Mautitania model' favoured by the most devoted Leavers) - without a hard border.
283 days, probably plus 21 months of transition period.

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same way as it is done all around the world. It's just change mate. Don't be afraid of it.
By leaving the border as is. Bilateral agreement. And saying t

o the EU 'You f*ck it all up if you want to, after all you f*ck everything else up that you touch'. And leave it at that.
And yet, that is exactly not what our Government is doing.

"But it is not good enough to say, ‘We won’t introduce a hard border; if the EU forces Ireland to do it, that’s down to them’. We chose to leave; we have a responsibility to help find a solution. "

PM speech on our future economic partnership with the European Union

Could the machinery of Government be wrong and @Tired_Tech be right? I think they should be told.

Either that, or @Tired_Tech is clearly a traitor for not supporting his Government policy. He should obey the will of the people and get on with finding a solution.

Come on, hurry up ^^
 
And yet, that is exactly not what our Government is doing.

"But it is not good enough to say, ‘We won’t introduce a hard border; if the EU forces Ireland to do it, that’s down to them’. We chose to leave; we have a responsibility to help find a solution. "

PM speech on our future economic partnership with the European Union

Could the machinery of Government be wrong and @Tired_Tech be right? I think they should be told.

Either that, or @Tired_Tech is clearly a traitor for not supporting his Government policy. He should obey the will of the people and get on with finding a solution.

Come on, hurry up ^^
we've found the solution you halfwit. Alas the EU are still in 'non' mode. I'm pretty sure grown ups will get involved shortly. What with the shenanigans in Germany and Italy.
 
I've yet to see a fait accompli.
well we had it on GMB this morning. The lords preferred option, "if we don't get the deal we want, we remain" cynical, defeatist, delusional call it what you will. If they think that will save parliament......we won't tell them what's on the agenda. Never have so many been dependent on so few........etc. So having informed Brussels what our policy is; Parliament sits next to the executioners block.
Never have so few been dependent on EU largesse.
 
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