Brexit Phase Two - Trade

Merkel gets two weeks to solve migrant crisis after CSU ultimatum Merkel gets two weeks to solve migrant crisis after coalition partners' ultimatum | Daily Mail Online she must be kacking it. She knows all to well how nimble the EU isn't. It's like watching the Ents on slow motion. Wonder if David is laughing like a drain? Mutti must be thinking back to the happy time when it was David getting the 'non' treatment from Brussels.
Good job you don't read it.......
 
I can see that going down well with the other countries. If only UK could have vetoed all this EU f*ckwittery when we had all that persuasive power, like the referendum negotiations.
"If only someone else sorted out my feckwittery" is how that sounds. Man up. Grow a set.
 
Firstly, there wasn't a 1922 agreement. It was a 1923 agreement and wasn't implemented until 1925.
Secondly, it was put into the freezer from 1939 until 1952.
Thirdly, the non binding agreement only applies to people, not goods.
And finally it has been amended several times since then so it is not even the same agreement as was thought up in 1923 when "Ireland would be classed as part of the United Kingdom for immigration purposes".
The last amendment was in 2011 (before Brexit was thought of) and commits both countries (but, again, in a nonbinding agreement which "is not intended to create legally binding obligations, nor to create or confer any right, privilege or benefit on any person or party, private or public") to continue their cooperation with the CTA (and that phrase was only introduced in 1954), their list of visa free countries and to develop "electronic border management system/s"

I didn't think a nonbinding agreement could be repealed. You live and learn.
Blair,Brown, Lisbon and Germans. That's you told.
 
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sometimes we're ahead sometimes we're not.
Sometimes we're stupid and sometime we're we're stupid and sticking our fingers in our ears.

Fact resistance reaches new highs shock.
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So the government’s ‘effective control’ of the border can be based on non-existent technology, for example?


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Not at all. As I stated before, the WTO rules states that you must have border controls but does not specify their nature. (See link in previous post). The reason for that should be obvious: different states impose different forms of border controls. The US controls its border with Canada differently from its one with Mexico for example.

As long as whatever border control the UK puts in place with the ROI ticks all the WTO boxes, it can be any form we like, including a 'soft border' with minimal checks. A soft border does not equal an open border - it's just a border that has the minimum checks needed to meet WTO requirements.

As I said before, if after a hard Brexit, the UK puts a soft border in place with the ROI, that will put the onus on the EU to put a hard border in place on their side. which will royally fornicate the Irish economy. The problems with the UK/ROI border were largely created by the EU - that's a decision I suspect will come back to haunt them.

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USA / Canada....frictionless


You can use all the sophistry you like, but even ‘minimal checks’ means UK government officials will be stopping cars and goods vehicles at border checkpoints .

Only an idiot would consider such a plan sensible.

Not that most English Brexiters give a **** about NI (Losing NI ‘a price worth paying’ is a phrase I’ve seen several times ’)



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Some of the required technology is being developed regardless; I still think that Jon Thompson was got at by Philip Hammond.
'In development', yet no details appear to have been provided so far.

Suspect it will take more than 283 days to have a fully working and installed system in place. Hence, it is not a viable solution to 'no-deal' and WTO rules (the 'Mautitania model' favoured by the most devoted Leavers) - without a hard border.


It all seems a bit complicated....
 
'In development', yet no details appear to have been provided so far.

Suspect it will take more than 283 days to have a fully working and installed system in place. Hence, it is not a viable solution to 'no-deal' and WTO rules (the 'Mautitania model' favoured by the most devoted Leavers) - without a hard border.

It all seems a bit complicated....
The hardware is not the issue, but rather the software. Some of the software is ready now, some more is being tested and will be ready by Christmas (the timetable is actually for the end of November). It has all been developed 'in-house' rather than given to Fujitsu, for example. Jon Thompson initially quoted a modest sum and timetable, which quickly became a vastly inflated figure and timescale. Who got at him? Hammond?
 
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The hardware is not the issue, but rather the software. Some of the software is ready now, some more is being tested and will be ready by Christmas (the timetable is actually for the end of November). It has all been developed 'in-house' rather than given to Fujitsu, for example. Jon Thompson initially quoted a modest sum and timetable, which quickly became a vastly inflated figure and tinescale. Who got at him? Hammond?
How will software prevent someone with a transit van full of chlorinated chicken heading south? Or NZ lamb imported into Ireland under a quota heading north?( do they still make transit vans btw)
 
How will software prevent someone with a transit van full of chlorinated chicken heading south? Or NZ lamb imported into Ireland under a quota heading north?( do they still make transit vans btw)
How do you think it works now? Not everything that comes in from outside of the CU gets inspected, far from it. It is all checked based upon risk. The UK is not unique in this regard, it is common practice all over the EU.
 
How do you think it works now? Not everything that comes in from outside of the CU gets inspected, far from it. It is all checked based upon risk. The UK is not unique in this regard, it is common practice all over the EU.
Yes I realize that not everything is 100% checked

What I mean is: how are you going to carry out risk based searches / spot checks at the border without checkpoints - fixed or mobile.


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How do you think it works now? Not everything that comes in from outside of the CU gets inspected, far from it. It is all checked based upon risk. The UK is not unique in this regard, it is common practice all over the EU.
Is this how WTO rules work?

Would the risk assessment not change due to the circumstances?

UK slacks off its inspection regime. Every man and his dog decides to bring all manner of dodgy goods into the country?
 
Because people are the means by which goods and services move? Bit difficult to question a cargo or even a service?
Nope, it's the 21st century now. Think quota enforcement, tariff collection and adherence to regulatory standards. Some load of old cock about the past doesn't meet the needs of today.

And you still haven't addressed how the UK meets its commitments to the GFA.
 
"If only someone else sorted out my feckwittery" is how that sounds. Man up. Grow a set.
I've made the correct decision based on the facts at hand (and still at hand). And my own outlook. I have always anticipated and accepted that there will be some pain in the transition from EU diner state to being free from the EU yoke.
So the government’s ‘effective control’ of the border can be based on non-existent technology, for example?
would this be the technology that already exists and is in use in many ports of entry around the world...
 
USA / Canada....frictionless


You can use all the sophistry you like, but even ‘minimal checks’ means UK government officials will be stopping cars and goods vehicles at border checkpoints .

Only an idiot would consider such a plan sensible.

Not that most English Brexiters give a **** about NI (Losing NI ‘a price worth paying’ is a phrase I’ve seen several times ’)



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So the punchline for Brexit will be; we had to destroy the United Kingdom in order to save it.

Personally, I'm not convinced.

I also find the way the Tory party has turned into the 1970's Socialist Workers Party somwwhat of an eyebrow raiser, I mean, abolish the House of Lords and the hereditary principle in the UK, soak the rich to pay for the NHS - Corbyn doesn't even need an election to make his dreams come true.
 
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