Brexit Phase Two - Trade

Wordsmith

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I can see that going down well with the other countries. If only UK could have vetoed all this EU f*ckwittery when we had all that persuasive power, like the referendum negotiations.
The Italians have virtually stopped taking in immigrants crossing the Mediterranean. Which has put the EU in a cleft stick. Kick up a stink and the Italian population will be reminded why they elected an anti-EU government in the first place. Don't kick up a stink and other governments will start refusing to take immigrants.

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skid2

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Not at all. As I stated before, the WTO rules states that you must have border controls but does not specify their nature. (See link in previous post). The reason for that should be obvious: different states impose different forms of border controls. The US controls its border with Canada differently from its one with Mexico for example.

As long as whatever border control the UK puts in place with the ROI ticks all the WTO boxes, it can be any form we like, including a 'soft border' with minimal checks. A soft border does not equal an open border - it's just a border that has the minimum checks needed to meet WTO requirements.

As I said before, if after a hard Brexit, the UK puts a soft border in place with the ROI, that will put the onus on the EU to put a hard border in place on their side. which will royally fornicate the Irish economy. The problems with the UK/ROI border were largely created by the EU - that's a decision I suspect will come back to haunt them.

Wordsmith
Fantasy island here we come.
 
oh and just to remind people, it's the South German/ Bavarian coalition-where the shit always starts. Just sayin'like. Where did it all start last time?

Isn't that because Catholic Bavaria is never quite sure it's a part of Germany ruled from Berlin or a part of the defunct Austro-Hungarian Empire ruled from Vienna?
 
Firstly, there wasn't a 1922 agreement. It was a 1923 agreement and wasn't implemented until 1925.
Secondly, it was put into the freezer from 1939 until 1952.
Thirdly, the non binding agreement only applies to people, not goods.
And finally it has been amended several times since then so it is not even the same agreement as was thought up in 1923 when "Ireland would be classed as part of the United Kingdom for immigration purposes".
The last amendment was in 2011 (before Brexit was thought of) and commits both countries (but, again, in a nonbinding agreement which "is not intended to create legally binding obligations, nor to create or confer any right, privilege or benefit on any person or party, private or public") to continue their cooperation with the CTA (and that phrase was only introduced in 1954), their list of visa free countries and to develop "electronic border management system/s"

I didn't think a nonbinding agreement could be repealed. You live and learn.
And I'm telling you the reality. Stupid of the EU to accept a non binding agreement then ain't it. But then the agreement for the ROI to confer immigration permission must be illegal too. Oh shit all those people who must be here illegally too as a result.

When will you get it through your bonse that people carry goods with them too, they do it all the time.
My bold what on earth is the point of such an agreement, when the priciple of the agreement that has been made is accepted by the EU. Hot air and waffle. The phrase CTA was introduced before we even joined the EEC, largely because Ireland and us shared embassies which is the normal outlet for visas.
 
Isn't that because Catholic Bavaria is never quite sure it's a part of Germany ruled from Berlin or a part of the defunct Austro-Hungarian Empire ruled from Vienna?
pretty much, It was in the forefront of the 1848 risings, tends to be Pro France anti Austria so they tend to be pretty volatile in terms of politics. They really don't like the Idea of a Berlin led Germany. If they can bring down a Berlin led Government that'll do. It's pretty much like Scots Politics.
 
There's no doubt that refugees are causing both the EU and member states significant stress. However, the cause is primarily the conflict and instability in the source countries.

Destroying institutions and sacking leaders will ultimately solve nothing, unless their replacements are able to solve the issues at source.
 
pretty much, It was in the forefront of the 1848 risings, tends to be Pro France anti Austria so they tend to be pretty volatile in terms of politics. They really don't like the Idea of a Berlin led Germany. If they can bring down a Berlin led Government that'll do. It's pretty much like Scots Politics.

Battle of Blenheim 1704 still has echoes, then?
 
One of the most sensible posts you’ve made. Although you’ve made no mention of the head of the remain campaign telling the civil service not to prepare.
I've been saying this for a long while. Funny how all of a sudden I'm making sense rather than being a traitorous remainer. It's almost as if the information campaign is working on the target audience.
 
Er really. In which case just how the hell does the CTA work. It may have escaped your notice that Dublin to London has no specific PP checks and that ROI has the power grant leave to enter to the UK. Non of the others have that power-certainly not Brussels. GFA does not preclude the operation of something they accepted. Travellers requiring a visa still require a UK one.
So how about you address goods and services rather than people .....
 
I've been saying this for a long while. Funny how all of a sudden I'm making sense rather than being a traitorous remainer. It's almost as if the information campaign is working on the target audience.
I never had you down as a traitor.

I had you down as somebody with an over inflated opinion of yourself, very much like our resident holocaust denier and remain cheerleader @Higgs_bosun
 
I've never claimed to have not read them. You broken brained imbecile.

I post links from the DM because it is easy to do. And legal unlike the times etc.

I rarely post links to the Express. But then, you so f*cking clueless you don't know what year it is let alone what I post.

As for all this 'we are leaving them' drivel. Yes, we are. It is still pretty important that both sides work to make the split work. Just like a divorce. As I've said before, the EU is playing the scorned wife, listening to her harridan cronies (seen it all before, 'go on take him to the cleaners, call CSA', CSA then promptly lower the payments being made :) )

That is all.
Beg to differ, the simplest search proves otherwise.
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https://www.arrse.co.uk/community/threads/brexit-negotiations.265051/page-248#post-8144500

I distinctly remember you telling me you disn't read the mail as well, which is why I rip into you about it. Burt can't be arsed looking for it.
 
Largely down to May who's run away from problems and squandered time. So causing the government to fall would pretty well guarantee a hard Brexit as a GE would eat up any remaining time to finish negotiating a deal.

Wordsmith
Pish. largely down to Johnson, Fox and Gove. I will remind you of this "forever" regardless of your running away from people posting reality tactics.
 
Many I feel took the decision based on what they felt. That of course didn't stop the remainers being name callers against those who voted leave.

That said, the arguments for staying in just don't stack up. For the very thing you say above. Nobody knows the consequences of leaving, but similarly no-one knows the consequences for staying. It's just assumed that staying will be good... and easier.
Pish. Pure unadulterated not accepting the consequences of your vote pish. We were top of G7 growth, we are now bottom. We know the probability of what caused that.
 

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