Brexit Phase Two - Trade

Hit and miss, a Pakistani colleague, as in an immigrant and not UK born, got his Mrs over last year. She's a dentist, reckons it will take four years for her qualifications to be recognised.

India has huge issues with fraudulent quals in all professions.

Special Report: Why India's medical schools are plagued with fraud

I had a guy, who should have been teaching me stuff going by his qualifications, stood doing a goldfish impression with a simple task. One of our clients support team members thank feck.
Fraud happens world wide, all medical professions should have to sit a test if from any country other than UK and that their qualifications are the same if not better than our own.
I do not know if the BMA or who is responsible tests EU medics or not, but if they do not then that is a risk we should not take under any circumstance
 
Back on brexit; The Government changed our economic model during the thatcher era and pretty much dumped on the rest of the country. One of the things that SHOULD happen, post-brexit, is the government, should be refocusing the economy to a different model.

Sadly, another failure of the british government during brexit negotiations, is the complete lack of planning, or thought going into changing that model.

If Corbyn, wasn't a socialist loon, much of what he and McDonnell says on strategy, is actually right.
It's almost like smashing the current system in the evangelical hope that something better magically replaces it is a crap idea
 

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What happens when the finance runs out? I think the point people seem to be making is that we are close to that happening. If the younger generation don't look after the older one then moving on to an old age pension will be something like booking an appointment with Dignitas.
The government seems to be slowly moving away from state to private pensions by asking that all employees contribute to a private pension scheme. I suspect that over the next 20 - 30 years the state pension will largely wither away as the snowflake generation gradually build up their own pension pots. That's actually a fairly sensible approach as the current state pensions are a bit of a Ponzi scheme - your pension is being paid for by taxpayers like me. And when I retire in 5 of so years, my state pension will be paid for by people still in employment.

No government is actually going to point out what's going on for fear of electoral unpopularity, but building up your own pension pot is the only realistic method - state pensions are going to be increasingly unaffordable as the number of pensioners rises and the number of people in work declines.

Finally - this is probably Brexit independent. I don't think the EU currently regulates national pension schemes - although it did insist Greece cut its overly generous state pensions in the last financial crisis. But this problem is due to hit the EU as well - and I don't think all countries are taking the same precautions as the UK. The EU is going to have to deal with this problem in the future - although probably a couple of decades after we've Brexited.

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It’s almost as if a well-known cheerleader for Brexit was making shit up before the vote....
Both sides made shit up before the vote. It wasn't confined to the Brexit side. Remember Osborne saying we'd need an emergency budget if we votes for Brexit.

As I've said before, the politicians and commentators on both sides of the argument did the country a disservice. Instead of an informed debate of the pros and cons of Brexit, we got a war of soundbites.

Fortunately most people I met ion the doorstep were doing their best to wade through the BS put by both sides and come to an reasonably informed decision.

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Both sides made shit up before the vote. It wasn't confined to the Brexit side. Remember Osborne saying we'd need an emergency budget if we votes for Brexit.

As I've said before, the politicians and commentators on both sides of the argument did the country a disservice. Instead of an informed debate of the pros and cons of Brexit, we got a war of soundbites.

Fortunately most people I met ion the doorstep were doing their best to wade through the BS put by both sides and come to an reasonably informed decision.

Wordsmith
Man states the bleeding obvious. Fooled by bus, bigotry and sound bites. Still manages to convince himself that Brexit is a good thing.
I know. Let’s see what it says in today’s FT .
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So the Migration Policy Institute discussion from November 2003 is valid today, is it?
You do realise there have been lots of changes in Turkey since then? Not least the fact that Turkey will get EU membership in our lifetime is as likely as you taking a day off from here.
Turkey has increasingly been moving towards a theocracy and away from with Mustafa Kemal (Atatürk)'s original vision of Turkey as a largely secular state. It's also become increasingly repressive.

The current leadership has shown no hesitation in blackmailing the EU into handing over substantial funds in return for not letting a flood of refugees over the border - a gambit I expect to be repeated at regular intervals.

Turkey is going to be a major headache for the EU for years to come. (But happily not for the UK after Brexit).

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Grieve digging his heels in

Government 'could collapse' over Brexit deal

He implied rebels would vote against it this week: "I'm absolutely sure that the group is quite determined that the meaningful vote pledge, which was given to us, has got to be fulfilled."

He added: "The alternative is that we've all got to sign up to a slavery clause now, saying whatever the government does, when it comes to January, however potentially catastrophic it might be for my constituents and my country, I'm signing in blood now that I will follow over the edge of a cliff, and that I can tell you, I am not prepared to do."
 
I have a great deal of respect for Dominic Grieve, who I think was the best Attorney-General that this country has had in years; nevertheless, on this issue I think that he is irreconcilable (as is Ken Clarke and Anna Soubry).
 
Brexit dividend? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha .....gasp....ha ha ha ha ha ha...wheeeeze....ha ha ha. Give them control...ha ha ha...20 billion....just like that. The ghost of Tommy Cooper lives...:rofl:
 
EU threatens to ground all flights after Brexit | Daily Mail Online

Looks like Brussels is continuing to exacerbate Brexit, even for themselves.
@One_of_the_strange posted the source report from the aviation industry body.

The UK is electing to leave EASA, not the other way round.

If you believe the spin in that shite rag, there's no hope for you. But you don't seem to be very bright

You post rather a lot of links from the DE and DM for someone who claims not to read them...
 
Grieve digging his heels in

Government 'could collapse' over Brexit deal

He implied rebels would vote against it this week: "I'm absolutely sure that the group is quite determined that the meaningful vote pledge, which was given to us, has got to be fulfilled."

He added: "The alternative is that we've all got to sign up to a slavery clause now, saying whatever the government does, when it comes to January, however potentially catastrophic it might be for my constituents and my country, I'm signing in blood now that I will follow over the edge of a cliff, and that I can tell you, I am not prepared to do."
Well he, and the others who oppose Brexit, shouldn't try and bring the government down.
Now is the time for all good men etc etc
Bringing the government down will put the country into even more of a shitstorm than it is already in. A new election this close to leaving would mean restarting the negotiations and I'm pretty sure the EU, already pissed off at the way UK is handling things, wouldn't put up with that.
It would, probably, mean a sudden cliff edge exit and no agreements put in place. All the organisations we belong to because of EU membership, all the trade deals with other countries because of EU membership and all the regulation bodies we belong to gone in a flash.
Probably another coalition government of some sort (and look how well the last one turned out) and yet more dithering.
The remain side on the government benches should now step back, say we've got the right to have a say on the final deal and we won't hold up progress any longer.

It was over 6 months ago (Dec 7th 2017) when the EU said they were in agreement with the 3 things they said must be sorted before trade. The so-called divorce bill, the rights of EU citizens after Brexit and the border agreement between the Irelands. It then went Pete Tong when a minor party propping up the government said we can't treat NI differently to the rest of the UK even though there are many things that happen, or don't happen, in NI compared to the rest of UK.
If we end up with another minority government, a coalition or (shudder) a Corbyn led one then we might as well forget about discussing trade, membership of organisations and regulatory bodies.
It's now time to get the hell on with it and there won't be a good deal for UK with all the bloody infighting going on in a government that is supposed to be doing things for the best of the country.
If the remain side don't like the way the government is handling it (and they've had a load of obstacles put in their way) then they should leave the government and stand as independents or walk.
 

Wordsmith

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Bringing the government down will put the country into even more of a shitstorm than it is already in. A new election this close to leaving would mean restarting the negotiations and I'm pretty sure the EU, already pissed off at the way UK is handling things, wouldn't put up with that.
It would, probably, mean a sudden cliff edge exit and no agreements put in place. All the organisations we belong to because of EU membership, all the trade deals with other countries because of EU membership and all the regulation bodies we belong to gone in a flash.
Ahem.

Ministers fear UK will crash out of EU without a deal because there isn't time to pass new Brexit laws
Britain could crash out of the EU without a deal if negotiation talks are not finished in October because there won't be enough time to agree new laws, ministers fear. Senior Government figures including minister Suella Braverman held crisis talks with Commons leader Andrea Leadsom this week to thrash out a plan, amid growing fears Parliament won't be able to enact Brexit before deadline day next March.

Without the passage of the Withdrawal and Implementation Bill the UK could be forced out without a deal because there would be no legal mechanism to underpin the new agreement with the EU.
Largely down to May who's run away from problems and squandered time. So causing the government to fall would pretty well guarantee a hard Brexit as a GE would eat up any remaining time to finish negotiating a deal.

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One of the things that SHOULD happen, post-brexit, is the government, should be refocusing the economy to a different model.
Whether refocusing is a good or bad idea, it is unrelated to Brexit. It’s back to blaming all the UK’s self-inflicted ills on the EU


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Both sides made shit up before the vote. It wasn't confined to the Brexit side. Remember Osborne saying we'd need an emergency budget if we votes for Brexit.

As I've said before, the politicians and commentators on both sides of the argument did the country a disservice. Instead of an informed debate of the pros and cons of Brexit, we got a war of soundbites.

Fortunately most people I met ion the doorstep were doing their best to wade through the BS put by both sides and come to an reasonably informed decision.

Wordsmith
True, but a somewhat false equivalence. Osborne was being a drama queen, but falling off a cliff right after the vote was a possibility. But the currency only crashed 15% and what has happened is a slow decline.

The outright lies of Leave have been done to death


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