Brexit Phase Two - Trade

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It will be as democratic as it was. I'm not sure why you would wish to pretend otherwise.

(Obviously, I am, but I like a bit of teasing just for the road.)

I mean come on, ecomcon, comecon.
I want to hope for something better, which is the entire point of brexit. I know, it will be likely crap, because I am a total cynic and think all politicians are tossers.

I had massive regrets and a touch of anger last week, choosing the name ecomcon. Everyone is convinced, I am a russkie :) . But, heh, I think sod it, dawai comrade.
 
I want to hope for something better, which is the entire point of brexit. I know, it will be likely crap, because I am a total cynic and think all politicians are tossers.

I had massive regrets and a touch of anger last week, choosing the name ecomcon. Everyone is convinced, I am a russkie :) . But, heh, I think sod it, dawai comrade.

Why did you choose such a name?

Davai would be a better rendition in English, by the way. Dawai is better suited to a German audience.
 
I am sure I saw the same stats in the Guardian. But, look at the source (bottom left corner). My views are alarmingly different to many, but I am also a democrat.
You can go onto a EU website and check the details, follow up with the newspapers, you can accept it at face value, the Economist being respected for the accuracy of its information or...you can stick your fingers in your ears and go "lalalalalalalalalalalalalalala"

You'll note that you make make bold "big picture" <snigger> statements without sources then get picky over sourced statements.
 

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Just to get that NHS spending in context...
Percentages don't really mean a lot TBH, 4.5% of 100 quid is less than 1.3% of a thousand, it's all relevant to the actual sum that the % is taken from.
 
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Why did you choose such a name?

Davai would be a better rendition in English, by the way. Dawai is better suited to a German audience.
Its from a film, I always liked (seven days in may). Given my knowledge of Russian language comes from BAOR days and reading sven hassell, I will take your word for it
 
Its from a film, I always liked (seven days in may). Given my knowledge of Russian language comes from BAOR days and reading sven hassell, I will take your word for it

I'm old enough to be familiar with the film but don't see the connection with your user name.
 
Percentages don't really mean a lot TBH, 4.5% of 100 quid is less than 1.3% of a thousand, it's all relevant to the actual sum that the % is taken from.
Which makes Labour under Blair/brown all the more impressive I'd have to say.

As long as everyone is happy to pay more tax to pay for it.
 
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Percentages don't really mean a lot TBH, 4.5% of 100 quid is less than 1.3% of a thousand, it's all relevant to the actual sum that the % is taken from.
I hope you are not a Maths teacher!
Why? 4.5% of 100 is 4.5, 1.3% of 1000 is 13, so the higher the base figure, the higher the worth of the actual %. Higher starting figure means that you end up with a higher sum after adding any %. In the case of the NHS costs, how much has it gone up from the pre 79 figure to today's figure.
Cost in Bns for 1978/79 - 7.4, 4.4% = 32,560,000
Cost in Bns for 2014/15 - 114.4, 1.3% = 148,200,000
 
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Similar could be said about those from the Indian subcontinent in UK, who were brought over for similar reasons as the Turks to Germany!
Of course and Turks over here are almost as numerous as over there. There's also the Chinese diaspora, the Nigerian, the Jewish. The essential difference with the Chinese has been the Political attitude of China to them. If you weren't in china or have A Chinese passport you were not Chinese. What a lot of people don't get is that many of these groups do not feel particularly that they are part of any country unless it suits them. You never hear of most of them, until they need to make a point. What we do know is that mind their own BUSINESS in the literal sense but what their true financial contribution is remains open to interpretation. I'm not being rude about that but ten years doing border/finance work was an eyeopener and we had to re-educate ourselves rapidly. There is little point being moralistic.
 
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I'm old enough to be familiar with the film but don't see the connection with your user name.
Given I came up with the name in around 30 seconds or so, there really wasn't much thought given to it. But, I suppose my brain was thinking: Signals, Electronics, Films, Comms, Ecomcon.
 
Ah.

The same article that you posted 2 days ago, written by two Brexit cheerleaders, on a Brexit website, and misrepresented by you. What they argue is RELATIVE growth has fallen. They also pick and choose their indicators - GDP or PPP - to suit their predetermined conclusions..


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Yers, but then I studiously ignore all figures because I asked a question. Relative growth will always fall relative to itself. it can only expand so much. There are some factors of our economy that predated the EU that couldn't survive-coal being the obvious one. There are others such as steel production that would always remain cyclical to need and application. Rather than keep that nationalised we sold it to the Asian group TATA courtesy of Vaz. But lets put the boot on the other foot. What if the EU/EEC had seen aircraft production move to the UK? What if we still did commercial ship building on Korean scale. There too many ifs and too much has gone belly up and right now is floor space v the internet. I suspect that many remainers are more worried about the fact that we've stripped out and can't see us climbing back. We're also viewed as a low skills economy. Why? because we were never supposed to leave the EU and there's not a few who've taken a backhander to that extent.
 

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Percentages don't really mean a lot TBH, 4.5% of 100 quid is less than 1.3% of a thousand, it's all relevant to the actual sum that the % is taken from.
Balls, look back. While the nhs got a 4% pa rise, which it did for years there weren’t winter crises or bed shortages.
Once they started quoting money ( which sounded a lot and wasn’t 4%) they started getting into trouble.

Even today’s May statement promised another 7 years of underfunding. And I’ve heard Hunt ascribe nhs money as a mix of Brexit and growth money.

Despite the fact that someone’s just listed next years growth as downwards and that’s from the current low standpoint.
 
Yers, but then I studiously ignore all figures because I asked a question. Relative growth will always fall relative to itself. it can only expand so much. There are some factors of our economy that predated the EU that couldn't survive-coal being the obvious one. There are others such as steel production that would always remain cyclical to need and application. Rather than keep that nationalised we sold it to the Asian group TATA courtesy of Vaz. But lets put the boot on the other foot. What if the EU/EEC had seen aircraft production move to the UK? What if we still did commercial ship building on Korean scale. There too many ifs and too much has gone belly up and right now is floor space v the internet. I suspect that many remainers are more worried about the fact that we've stripped out and can't see us climbing back. We're also viewed as a low skills economy. Why? because we were never supposed to leave the EU and there's not a few who've taken a backhander to that extent.
I love a bit of rambling stream of consciousness in the morning
 
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Back on brexit; The Government changed our economic model during the thatcher era and pretty much dumped on the rest of the country. One of the things that SHOULD happen, post-brexit, is the government, should be refocusing the economy to a different model.

Sadly, another failure of the british government during brexit negotiations, is the complete lack of planning, or thought going into changing that model.

If Corbyn, wasn't a socialist loon, much of what he and McDonnell says on strategy, is actually right.
 

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