Brexit Phase Two - Trade

Poundworld presumably being bought by Venture Capitalists for £1 ?
JRM and others of his ilk will make a killing

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Exactly what purpose will the referendum serve?
It will stop any backsliding by remoaners watering down of the will of the people. IF they give us BRINO we The People who voted BREXIT can tell the elite to shove it and we can Brexit with no deal.

Remember the UK has lots of strong cards to play. On a No Deal Brexit the EU wil have to listen to the UK! It will hurt the EU if they don't. The UK will be in charge.

Particularly given most people lack sufficient understanding of the proposed deal (which has yet to be agreed) to make an informed choice on what the best alternative is.
I am sorry but as all the Brexiteers have said everyone knew exactly what the were voting for inthe EU referendum. So obviously they will understand the deal and it's ramifications. Either that or they didn't understand the ramifications of the last one which is unthinkable..
 
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I've always suspected your issues were rooted in childhood
Even in childhood, I thought the concept of a United States of Europe was wrong.

European empires made up of different religions, languages and cultural beliefs always tend to collapse.

United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.
Ottoman Empire.
Austria’s Hungarian empire
Holy roman empire
Fourth republic.
Third Reich.
The history of the Germanic people.
Prussia
Etc etc etc.

A united Europe has been a pipe dream for centuries, but it always ends in bloodshed.

As long as France and Germany are shackled together, there’s no risk of WW3 kicking off amongst European nation states.
 

skid2

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Chinese labour wages have been going up for some time resulting in a lot of reshoring. I notice that you’ve convienanlty forgotten about that as it.

Yes, the £ has been overvalued for quite some time and is now at a level where it should be allowing for an increase in U.K. manufacturing and Tourism to name but a few.

You may want to speak to the owners of Poundland, because they don’t seem to be having the same problem as poundworld.
What happened, did Poundland put their prices up?
 
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Even in childhood, I thought the concept of a United States of Europe was wrong.

European empires made up of different religions, languages and cultural beliefs always tend to collapse.

United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.
Ottoman Empire.
Austria’s Hungarian empire
Holy roman empire
Fourth republic.
Third Reich.
The history of the Germanic people.
Prussia
Etc etc etc.

A united Europe has been a pipe dream for centuries, but it always ends in bloodshed.

As long as France and Germany are shackled together, there’s no risk of WW3 kicking off amongst European nation states.
Very true. I would also point out, how despotic and undemocratic, these larger entities inevitably turn out to be.
 
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That is most definitely my opinion, can you see anyone running it up the pole, anywhere?

You're an experiment aren't you, did your creator neglect the coherent reasoning bit?
I honestly, haven't a Scooby why you keep referring to me as an experiment. I told you what I did. Maybe your talking about my time working at Nissan, which trust me, I certainly came out of there less than a full shilling.
 
As long as France and Germany are shackled together, there’s no risk of WW3 kicking off amongst European nation states.
Wait for a eurozone failure. Germany will end up picking up the bulk of the debts for countries that default. In those circumstances, I suspect the Germans will be very unhappy with those countries. One of those could potentially be France, it's economy is in rag state and Marcon is not making much progress in sorting the problems out.

In the realms of speculation, but I suspect a disintegrating EU would ratchet up the tensions in continental Europe.

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Even in childhood, I thought the concept of a United States of Europe was wrong.

European empires made up of different religions, languages and cultural beliefs always tend to collapse.

USA
USSR
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.
Ottoman Empire.
Austria’s Hungarian empire
Holy roman empire
Fourth republic.
Third Reich.
The history of the Germanic people.
Prussia
Etc etc etc.
.
You missed a couple.
However the EU is the one that was done by political negotiation and usually referendum of the people. all the rest were done by armed conflict.

As you note the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is also likely to collapse unless we stop all this political messing about and simply go for a hard Brexit. then the EU and Ireland will have to negotiat to our tune as it will hurt them too much if they don't.
 
I'll just leave this here...

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As you note the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is also likely to collapse unless we stop all this political messing about and simply go for a hard Brexit. then the EU and Ireland will have to negotiat to our tune as it will hurt them too much if they don't.
Words cannot express how hilarious I find this form of sarcasm. I'm now off to hospital to have stitches, having split my sides laughing.

Wordsmith
 

Joker62

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Book Reviewer
Even in childhood, I thought the concept of a United States of Europe was wrong.

European empires made up of different religions, languages and cultural beliefs always tend to collapse.

United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.
Ottoman Empire.
Austria’s Hungarian empire
Holy roman empire
Fourth republic.
Third Reich.
The history of the Germanic people.
Prussia
Etc etc etc.

A united Europe has been a pipe dream for centuries, but it always ends in bloodshed.

As long as France and Germany are shackled together, there’s no risk of WW3 kicking off amongst European nation states.
You missed a couple.
I know you added USA and USSR as part of the Empire list but since when have they bee European as in @AfghanAndy's post? (See bold for reference)
 
I know you added USA and USSR as part of the Empire list but since when have they bee European as in @AfghanAndy's post? (See bold for reference)

Strangely everything out as far as Russia is Europe. (Ask a geographer) so most of the USSR this side of Russia is Europe which is why many of the former states have/are trying to join the EU. However it does prove his point in that has collapsed.

USA. Ok fair enough not European land mass but moslty made up of (at the time) Europeans who formed in to a United States. I note the current President is half European on his mothers side and his fathers side is 2nd generation(?) US/German

The difference is like the USA (but unlike the USSR) the EU is becoming a federation of states by political negotiation. If the Europeans in the Americas can do it Shirley the Europeans in Europe can do it.
 

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Now that it looks like a load of labour people care more about the ‘right’ type of Brexit than getting Jeremy into Downing Street. Here’s a thing. The Brexit we could be looking at is a quasi single market (with ECJ powers) and a customs union.
May would bite on that one.

For those of you having trouble with it you could console yourselves that the single market was hailed as a major achievement of Thatchers early 80s government.
 
Now that it looks like a load of labour people care more about the ‘right’ type of Brexit than getting Jeremy into Downing Street.
They all know that once Commissar (for life) Corbyn is in Power he will have the M/momentum to get most of them deselected and more suitable comrades selected for a glorious peoples socialist state.

So they are fighting for their jobs and the country. I hesitate to speculate which is their priority.

The reason why it is news when one of May's ministers resign is because she is PM of a minority government with lots of infighting.

The reason why no one is fussed when 75 Labour people ignore the whip is because Labour is in opposition and has been a shambles from the Moment... um Corbyn won the final vote.
 
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skid2

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They all know that once Commissar (for life) Corbyn is in Power he will have the M/momentum to get most of them deselected and more suitable comrades selected for a glorious peoples socialist state.

So they are fighting for their jobs and the country. I hesitate to speculate which is their priority.

The reason why it is news when one of May's ministers resign is because she is PM of a minority government with lots of infighting.

The reason why no one is fussed when 75 Labour people fedy the whip is because Labour is in opposition and has been a shambles from the Moment... um Corbyn won the final vote.
It’s interesting that an opposition can put the government on the back foot by doing nothing. And once they get moving they can put the ERG back into their corner, by supporting the government.
Strange days indeed. It looks like we’re getting parliamentary sovereignty in ways unheard of.
 
They all know that once Commissar (for life) Corbyn is in Power he will have the M/momentum to get most of them deselected and more suitable comrades selected for a glorious peoples socialist state.

So they are fighting for their jobs and the country. I hesitate to speculate which is their priority.

The reason why it is news when one of May's ministers resign is because she is PM of a minority government with lots of infighting.

The reason why no one is fussed when 75 Labour people ignore the whip is because Labour is in opposition and has been a shambles from the Moment... um Corbyn won the final vote.
That I agree with. But I suspect that after this spat, Labour will split.
 
Ryanair to open a new base in Southend in April next year apparently. 750 jobs
 
It is incredibly naive to think we won’t engage with the EU. As associate members, we simply won’t have the voting rights to veto or decide the outcome.
There’s very little veto rights and due to the unbalanced nature of the EU, Malta has as much say in issues as we do.
combination of the two surely, we will still have a FP, what's been highlit recently has been the Clusterfuck that is EUFP. No the diplomatic ties won't cease, just we'll have to be quite clear that the EU may say one thing but actually do something else- pretty much like now really. But we can certainly save on the Ashtons of this world.
 
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