Brexit Phase Two - Trade

They all know that once Commissar (for life) Corbyn is in Power he will have the M/momentum to get most of them deselected and more suitable comrades selected for a glorious peoples socialist state.

So they are fighting for their jobs and the country. I hesitate to speculate which is their priority.

The reason why it is news when one of May's ministers resign is because she is PM of a minority government with lots of infighting.

The reason why no one is fussed when 75 Labour people ignore the whip is because Labour is in opposition and has been a shambles from the Moment... um Corbyn won the final vote.
That I agree with. But I suspect that after this spat, Labour will split.
 
Ryanair to open a new base in Southend in April next year apparently. 750 jobs
 
It is incredibly naive to think we won’t engage with the EU. As associate members, we simply won’t have the voting rights to veto or decide the outcome.
There’s very little veto rights and due to the unbalanced nature of the EU, Malta has as much say in issues as we do.
combination of the two surely, we will still have a FP, what's been highlit recently has been the Clusterfuck that is EUFP. No the diplomatic ties won't cease, just we'll have to be quite clear that the EU may say one thing but actually do something else- pretty much like now really. But we can certainly save on the Ashtons of this world.
 
You missed a couple.
However the EU is the one that was done by political negotiation and usually referendum of the people. all the rest were done by armed conflict.

As you note the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is also likely to collapse unless we stop all this political messing about and simply go for a hard Brexit. then the EU and Ireland will have to negotiat to our tune as it will hurt them too much if they don't.

I agree. The harder the Brexit, the better it is for all. I want the hardest of brexits - customs delays, tariffs, back-ups at Dover, a border between north and south of Ireland, an even more devalued pound, leave all EU organisations etc etc etc. Bring it all on, it’s what the people voted for.
 
You miss the point. I'm talking about the work needed to get to the point that talks with a two year time limit were a good idea. For instance, for all the EU agencies, have a plan to either replace them or become a non-EU member. Or maybe have a solid solution for the NI border to meet the needs of the GFA. Or perhaps a coherent view of what Brexit actually is, approved by Parliament?

In other words, all the things we don't have now. That lack of attention to detail and readiness to blame others for the failings of the UK government is what has doomed Brexit as envisaged by those who voted for it. And what we will get means we'll be back in the EU sooner rather than later.
the EU were adamant that there would be no talks, not even preliminary chats, until article 50 was submitted. Probably as some sort of ploy to induce 'ground rush'. Result. UK submitted article 50. If they had started talking or at least entertained the idea an orderly preparation for exit could have been prepared. With UK as a paying, full member for the duration. Possibly leading to reforms that negated brexit. But EU hubris is ubiquitous in EUrope.
 
ist and good at rabble rousing speeches (student's Union politics) that he might have the m(M)omentum to winn enough to form some sort of government. Then the UK really is screwed.[/QUOTE]
if labour get in corbyn will disappear faster than a
snowflake on the sun.
 
Ryanair to open a new base in Southend in April next year apparently. 750 jobs
Ryanair seeking to benefit from Stobart groups Southend airport investment.

Interesting considering the CEO Micheal O’Leary was quick to criticise Brexit with threats and warnings and now his company are investing in the U.K.

There’s a particular word that comes to mind here however I’ll allow others to summarise.
New London Southend Base to Open in Summer 2019 | Ryanair's Corporate Website
 
I agree. The harder the Brexit, the better it is for all. I want the hardest of brexits - customs delays, tariffs, back-ups at Dover, a border between north and south of Ireland, an even more devalued pound, leave all EU organisations etc etc etc. Bring it all on, it’s what the people voted for.
Yoghurt knitting snowflake!
 
The country was asked if the wanted to stay in the EU or leave it. They voted leave. The kerfuffle after the referendum had been pure politics which I contend the majority of voters are not that interested in.

BTW, just in case anyone has forgotten, Remain lost! :rolleyes:
it's mainly folk who think that they are looking at the blackboard holding the chalk, rather than merely one of the variables on it.
s on the board
 
the EU were adamant that there would be no talks, not even preliminary chats, until article 50 was submitted. Probably as some sort of ploy to induce 'ground rush'. Result. UK submitted article 50. If they had started talking or at least entertained the idea an orderly preparation for exit could have been prepared. With UK as a paying, full member for the duration. Possibly leading to reforms that negated brexit. But EU hubris is ubiquitous in EUrope.
Try reading what I wrote. The UK could have spent a few years getting every duck in a row and then kicked off A50 as the start of an orderly, planned path towards leaving. It didn't. That would not have required a single word of dialogue with Europe, it would have required a large amount of planning and agreement within the UK. We still do not have a coherent, agreed vision of what Brexit means within the government. May I suggest that without such kicking off A50 was a deeply stupid move.

Again, I'm baffled. You want Brexit. Brexit has failed because the Tories have failed to prepare for it. Yet you blame anyone other than those responsible, and by doing so, make that failure more likely.
 
Try reading what I wrote. The UK could have spent a few years getting every duck in a row and then kicked off A50 as the start of an orderly, planned path towards leaving. It didn't. That would not have required a single word of dialogue with Europe, it would have required a large amount of planning and agreement within the UK. We still do not have a coherent, agreed vision of what Brexit means within the government. May I suggest that without such kicking off A50 was a deeply stupid move.

Again, I'm baffled. You want Brexit. Brexit has failed because the Tories have failed to prepare for it. Yet you blame anyone other than those responsible, and by doing so, make that failure more likely.
no blame was intended. A very sensible game plan from the EU. How, exactly, do we prepare for brexit unilaterally?
 
no blame was intended. A very sensible game plan from the EU. How, exactly, do we prepare for brexit unilaterally?

By deciding what form it will take and spending vast sums of money to organise ourselves and prepare.

We're yet to begin either of those enormous tasks.
 
no blame was intended. A very sensible game plan from the EU. How, exactly, do we prepare for brexit unilaterally?
Exactly - what else could they do?

Until the UK started Article 50, it had committed to nothing. It could posture, argue, debate, and all without any commitment to actually leaving; from an EU perspective, the UK could even change Government, and totally change direction - then turn around and say, nahhh, that's not what we meant.

So, the simple answer was "look, we'll start the negotiations once you've kicked things off - otherwise, how do we know you're not just mucking us about?".

I still find it almost unbelievable that the UK Government position was limited to essentially "Brexit means Brexit" and "no, we don't want our hands tied by any pesky declaration of what we want". It made it indistinguishable (from the outside, at least) from "we can't agree what we want, we don't know what's best, and we haven't got a clue as to what we should be asking for".

If the Government had, indeed, actually developed a coherent negotiating position; closely guarded, agreed and well thought through... then surely we wouldn't see the current confusion, backstabbing, and counter-briefing?
 

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