Brexit Phase Two - Trade

I was speaking to my brother the other day who is now more French than british having lived in France since 1968. He holds dual nationality. According to him, and he is very much on the left of the political spectrum, the loss of UK money from the EU budget is not a major factor and is not really being talked about in France, so it looks like this issue is more a UK one than an EU one.

It looks like the EU has already worked out that the UK is leaving and is not that bothered!
Damascene conversion or what? I have to sit down. @Auld-Yin said something positive about Europe? You've started drinking spirits again?

Oh dear, where's my bed!?
 
Really? A non story?
The loss of EU monies will be the least of your problems,
I don't draw on EU monies, so no loss to me; best to work for international companies like Colliers International for example and stay away from local companies who could be impacted.

Government contracts? Highly placed individuals who are secure in their positions, cash is king.

Now, if you should mention Russia? That I agree has gone too quiet...
 
Now that’s the sort of thinking which has got us into this grief. ‘ a global economic superpower’

A global economic superpower is something we are not and haven’t been for a long time. It’s sad, hard to believe. But, especially after this Brexit debacle and that’s what it is.
Outgunned by the French and probably out traded by India come 2022. ( remember India’s a country where people poo in the streets).

And the economists put that down to Brexit and nothing else. That’s the expected drop in gdp. It’s not project fear, it’s simple fact. We’re dropping and look to continue to do so. To such a degree we look to be overtaken by India. But hey, they’ve got a space program.

Really? Have you been imbibing too deeply of that Remain crack?

The UK is number 6 and will be the biggest in Europe by 2040.
 
From the Observer:

May has often been accused of sitting on the fence on Brexit, of failing to give a lead and ducking out of confrontations with either side in her split party. On this occasion, however, she broke that habit and gave Rees-Mogg a piece of her mind. According to several sources, she spelled out in no uncertain terms the serious problems and costs that would result from having to resort to World Trade Organisation rules, while also stressing the potentially grave security dangers that would follow if and when the Republic of Ireland had to reimpose border controls on the orders of the EU in order to preserve the integrity of the single market.
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“It was the most amazing moment when the Rees-Mogg claptrap finally met cold reality,” said one Remain MP who attended. “She became animated in a way she doesn’t normally, she was completely engaged, not robotic at all. She was really concerned about the security issue and she showed she really meant every word she said.”


So the exam question was: How fast could the UK generate enough troops to maintain peace in Northern Ireland AND at what cost?
 
He did the job, walked the walk so I reckon you should listen to him when he does the the talk. You have fcek all experience of Customs and Excise.
He isn't addressing how we're going to control immigration, recruit and train staff, apply tariffs etc in North Ireland.

The article uses a fully working port which has infra and staff.
Not at all; Leo has made some very good points.
He's off on one of his Blair/Juncker conspiracy rants which isn't going to solve the border issue is it?
 
From the Observer:

May has often been accused of sitting on the fence on Brexit, of failing to give a lead and ducking out of confrontations with either side in her split party. On this occasion, however, she broke that habit and gave Rees-Mogg a piece of her mind. According to several sources, she spelled out in no uncertain terms the serious problems and costs that would result from having to resort to World Trade Organisation rules, while also stressing the potentially grave security dangers that would follow if and when the Republic of Ireland had to reimpose border controls on the orders of the EU in order to preserve the integrity of the single market.
Q&AWhat is a hard Brexit?
Show

“It was the most amazing moment when the Rees-Mogg claptrap finally met cold reality,” said one Remain MP who attended. “She became animated in a way she doesn’t normally, she was completely engaged, not robotic at all. She was really concerned about the security issue and she showed she really meant every word she said.”


So the exam question was: How fast could the UK generate enough troops to maintain peace in Northern Ireland AND at what cost?

Answer: We don’t have to.
 

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Really? Have you been imbibing too deeply of that Remain crack?

The UK is number 6 and will be the biggest in Europe by 2040.
I don’t know what you were reading you uk hater. I had us placed at a patriotic 4th just behind Herman and due to be overtaken by India.by 2020

It’s that incessant talking the country down which does us so much harm on the world stage.

Have some patriotic pride in your country. The biggest (economy?) in Europe by 2040, is that after wordsmith and his band of anarcho fantasists have destroyed Europe’s economy by the force of thinking bad thoughts about it.
 
I don’t know what you were reading you uk hater. I had us placed at a patriotic 4th just behind Herman and due to be overtaken by India.by 2020

It’s that incessant talking the country down which does us so much harm on the world stage.

Have some patriotic pride in your country. The biggest (economy?) in Europe by 2040, is that after wordsmith and his band of anarcho fantasists have destroyed Europe’s economy by the force of thinking bad thoughts about it.
Er... he is Irish...
 
Damascene conversion or what? I have to sit down. @Auld-Yin said something positive about Europe? You've started drinking spirits again?

Oh dear, where's my bed!?
But it's true to form France wants to run the continent, without being shackled by Britain. There's a trade off since they never wanted us in in the first place, they don't really like NATO. Any wars we fought in Europe before the last two were to control France. The true irony is we can't do without each other, the fault line is the EU
 
But it's true to form France wants to run the continent, without being shackled by Britain. There's a trade off since they never wanted us in in the first place, they don't really like NATO. Any wars we fought in Europe before the last two were to control France. The true irony is we can't do without each other, the fault line is the EU
@LeoRoverman times change, we did lead the world, and today?

France the UK cooperate in so many spheres. One issue is the dogma of the Conservatives who are happy for companies to be sold off to the French - Alstom closed the facility in Birmingham. Several minutes ago, the some Government stated that the East Coast railway line should be privatised.. for the fourth time. Our country is being ruined by political dogma in the face of reality.

We need a change of Government - not Corbynn and I have no idea who, but, the thinking needs to change.

France is changing, heavens @Auld-Yin is changing, we need to embrace change and move towards the future.
 
I don’t know what you were reading you uk hater. I had us placed at a patriotic 4th just behind Herman and due to be overtaken by India.by 2020

It’s that incessant talking the country down which does us so much harm on the world stage.

Have some patriotic pride in your country. The biggest (economy?) in Europe by 2040, is that after wordsmith and his band of anarcho fantasists have destroyed Europe’s economy by the force of thinking bad thoughts about it.

Nope, demographics will do for EUtopia.

The world’s fastest-falling populations 'will be in eastern Europe'

Germany is not just screwed, it’s just not screwing

With 82 million inhabitants in January 2010,[29]Germany is the most populous country in the European Union. However, its fertility rate of 1.42 children per woman is one of the lowest in the world,[30] and the federal statistics office estimates the population will shrink to between 65 and 70 million by 2060 (65 million assuming a net migration of +100,000 per year; 70 million assuming a net migration of +200,000 per year)

Ageing of Europe - Wikipedia
 
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@LeoRoverman times change, we did lead the world, and today?

France the UK cooperate in so many spheres. One issue is the dogma of the Conservatives who are happy for companies to be sold off to the French - Alstom closed the facility in Birmingham. Several minutes ago, the some Government stated that the East Coast railway line should be privatised.. for the fourth time. Our country is being ruined by political dogma in the face of reality.

We need a change of Government - not Corbynn and I have no idea who, but, the thinking needs to change.
We did lead the world and we gave it away 74 years ago by fighting the wrong war imho and gave France European dominance on our backs. The cost was our lead which our Governments gave away . The fact that groups from other countries have always co-operated since the dawn of time does not alter the political reality of these factors. Europe is now dominated by France and Russia with Germany the administrator. Ireland is now waking to a geopolitical reality, that she is not closer to Europe with Britain in the way. It's a harsh world out there as Europe will discover in the not too distant future. This is a time to keep your enemies close and your friends closer still
 
@ Kromeriz. No don't need a change of Government, we need a chance to establish what we need and to consolidate. We certainly don't need more socialism of the Corbyn or Blair Brands. We're still hurting after the last lot. I make this point the last Labour administration made a pigs ear out of our capability and MAY can't do worse than that. She just can't
 

skid2

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We did lead the world and we gave it away 74 years ago by fighting the wrong war imho and gave France European dominance on our backs. The cost was our lead which our Governments gave away . The fact that groups from other countries have always co-operated since the dawn of time does not alter the political reality of these factors. Europe is now dominated by France and Russia with Germany the administrator. Ireland is now waking to a geopolitical reality, that she is not closer to Europe with Britain in the way. It's a harsh world out there as Europe will discover in the not too distant future. This is a time to keep your enemies close and your friends closer still
And we do this by undoing our alliances and making enemies and denigrating our closest neighbors and trading partners.

You may be a little light on the foreign alliances front ‘Russia and France’ having a very pre ww1 feel about it.
Now that the UK has abandoned its position as the Americans gateway to Europe. It looks like when Ireland stops laughing we’ll have to work something out.
 
I was speaking to my brother the other day who is now more French than british having lived in France since 1968. He holds dual nationality. According to him, and he is very much on the left of the political spectrum, the loss of UK money from the EU budget is not a major factor and is not really being talked about in France, so it looks like this issue is more a UK one than an EU one.

It looks like the EU has already worked out that the UK is leaving and is not that bothered!
Has someone hacked your account?

That is the most realistic post on this topic I've seen you make.

It's almost like the Daily Express etc blow this issue up to make it seem like Europe's biggest concern.

Perhaps take a visit to France, or even anywhere in the EU and try to find someone who is genuinely shitting their pants about the UK flounce.

Most Europeans I've chatted about brexit with on my travels simply seem to wonder why we want to damage our country for zero gain.

I don't apologise, but simply shrug explain about the brainwashing of the susceptible by tabloids owned by billionaires hoping to get the UK out of the EU before the new tax legislation impacts them. The usual response is why don't you people see through such an obvious scam? Again I shrug
 
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Most Europeans I've chatted about brexit with on my travels simply seem to wonder why we want to damage our country for zero gain.
Just one snippet from that.
There has definitely been a sea change of opinion. After the actual vote, people here were saying how brave the British were, what a great decision and perhaps we could do the same.
We have many nationalities who come here, mainly holiday home owners. Dutch, French, German, Scandinavians, Belgians etc as well as the Spanish of course.
Our Scandinavian/Dutch/Belgian and Spanish neighbours were virtually all saying the same thing about how they would like to leave and wanted to see how UK would do.
A year later, attitudes had changed a little. They were wondering why UK hadn't made more of the leave vote and asking what we thought the next step would be.
Now, almost 2 years after the vote, there is definitely a change in opinion. Most seem to think we have made a great mistake and are doing nothing that they can see which is in the UK's favour.
The election called by PMTM caused confusion, they see the problems that are being thrown up especially on the financial side and there now seems an air of bewilderment on what is happening.
They all seem to think it's not panning out as they thought it would.

The number of Brits leaving Spain now outnumbers those arriving for the same reason. Nothing has been agreed and the future is looking rather uncertain. 3 couples on our community have sold up and gone home (at a big loss). However, they were ones living under the radar (not registering as resident, going to UK for healthcare, not filling in tax returns and driving back to UK once a year to get an MOT and not registering their cars on Spanish plates etc).
It will be interesting to see the opinions come March next year.
 

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