Brexit Phase Two - Trade

Proof of Project Fear direct from the mouth of one of the Liars!
Project Fear DEBUNKED: University boss admits Brexit claim was 'plucked out of the air'

Professor Michael Arthur from University College London, who chairs the Russell Group of elite universities EU group, had claimed that UK seats of learning would plunge from second best in the world league table on research behind America to 20th.
But pressed on the claim during a Brexit committee hearing in the Commons, Professor Arthur said: “I will confess I plucked a number out of the air.
 
We’re leaving the Customs Union and replacing it with something snazzy like a customs partnership, it’s got all small letters in it so nobody gets excited.
It's only about trade deals and who allegedly controls them in the end. I think even the Irish would be a tad bothered if they couldn't trade except with EU permission
 
Actually we do vote for members of the cabinet who are MPs before being offered government posts. What I think you meant to say was that we cannot vote which portfolio they hold. However, a member of cabinet can be recalled or reaffirm dcby further election by their constituents, an EU Commissioner cannot because they have neither constituents nor constituency. They are appointed top level bureaucrats with lots of authority but no responsibility to the people that have supposedly made them their tribunes.
Not necessarily. Harold Wilson had two non-MPs in his cabinet (Patrick Gordon Walker was one) and several Lords have held cabinet posts.
Lord Carrington was Defence Secretary (beginning of FI to-do) and then as Foreign Secretary is a case in point.
Yes, EU Commissioners are appointed but by the Council of Ministers who are the heads of sheds in government.
I think our current commissioner was appointed by David Cameron.
 
He is not an Irish Commissioner, he is a Commissioner who is Irish. The remit of a Commissioner is to prosecute EU policy within their portfolio, not to argue for or advocate on behalf of their sending nation.
No commissioner represents their own country. They all swear loyalty to the EU after being appointed by their PM/President/Taoiseach or whatever. He is Irish. He is a commissioner.
The rest is pedantry.
 
Not necessarily. Harold Wilson had two non-MPs in his cabinet (Patrick Gordon Walker was one) and several Lords have held cabinet posts.
Lord Carrington was Defence Secretary (beginning of FI to-do) and then as Foreign Secretary is a case in point.
Yes, EU Commissioners are appointed but by the Council of Ministers who are the heads of sheds in government.
I think our current commissioner was appointed by David Cameron.
Yes, that is why I said ‘members who are MPs’ as opposed to the HoL members.
 
No commissioner represents their own country. They all swear loyalty to the EU after being appointed by their PM/President/Taoiseach or whatever. He is Irish. He is a commissioner.
The rest is pedantry.
Indeed, but it is often spun the other way so that people feel that they have a ‘man on the inside’ which is one of the clever organisational obfuscations.
 

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It's only about trade deals and who allegedly controls them in the end. I think even the Irish would be a tad bothered if they couldn't trade except with EU permission
What the way we could do but didn’t bother. Preferring to blame Europe for our general lacklustre performance.
 

skid2

LE
Book Reviewer
Proof of Project Fear direct from the mouth of one of the Liars!
Project Fear DEBUNKED: University boss admits Brexit claim was 'plucked out of the air'

Professor Michael Arthur from University College London, who chairs the Russell Group of elite universities EU group, had claimed that UK seats of learning would plunge from second best in the world league table on research behind America to 20th.
But pressed on the claim during a Brexit committee hearing in the Commons, Professor Arthur said: “I will confess I plucked a number out of the air.
Which explains why it’s all going so well. Could you imagine how bad things would be if Project Fear had proved to be accurate.

Still, taking a positive view. We’ve started to renationalise the railways
 
I know you are but what am I?
That facts are there in front of you and you still will not accept them. A rant from a Brexiteer in a paper trumps the European Union act 2011 in you mind. Mentalism.

<Awaits "I was only joking" response>
 
Well you can but the historical record is very clear that, first time round, the UK declared war on Germany after it invaded Belgium and refused to withdraw and declared war on Germany the second time round because it invaded Poland and refused to withdraw.

Whatever everyone else was up to at the time (Sean Meekin's "July 1914: Countdown to War" is well worth a read), Great Britain's response on both occasions was the result of the invasion of a sovereign country by Germany.

If there is a lesson to be drawn from the two World Wars, and the Napoleonic War, and the Seven Years War, and the War of Spanish Succession, and the Wars of Religion, it's that, unless you're Roman, attempts to impose grand master plans and political conformity across the European continent don't end well, particularly for the imposers.

You don't say?
 
It was a Remain gov't which has caused this and you're sticking up for an argument the country rejected.
It was the referendum result which got us here. Nearly two years and lots of navel gazing later.....
 
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