Breaking it to the employers......

#1
Afternoon all.

So I went to visit the TA regiment yesterday and liked what I saw so now all is left is saying to the ol' employer "hi boss I want to join the TA." I am unsure as to how this will go down, they are a couple of money grabbers to be fair and asking for time off even when its annual leave is like asking if I can shoot their grandmother.

What's the best way to sell this to them?

Thanks guys.
 
#3
Why bother? Your undertaking a hobby, as stated before on here it should have no directconfliction with your real job and your employer has no obligation to recognise it, if your deploying then the goalposts change marginally.

I know it makes certain TA members fill their corduroys but it is what it is, a hobby.

(eagerly awaiting cries of 'dont pay regs for the early darts on Friday and sports afternoooooooons!!!!') :)
 
#4
Afternoon all.

So I went to visit the TA regiment yesterday and liked what I saw so now all is left is saying to the ol' employer "hi boss I want to join the TA." I am unsure as to how this will go down, they are a couple of money grabbers to be fair and asking for time off even when its annual leave is like asking if I can shoot their grandmother.

What's the best way to sell this to them?

Thanks guys.
If I was your boss you'd be fired the instant you mentioned the fact.

Mainly because I'd see you as a person with incredibly low standards and no sense of shame.
 
#5
As the handsome latin chap says its not going to effect your employer one bit unless you deploy.

They'll know that you're in the TA before long as you'll no doubt have Soldier magazine on your desk everyday and find any excuse to turn up in your boots.
 
#6
Because it is often better that an employer hear from their employee before they get the news from the Army. Whilst the employee is under no obligation to notify their employer, the MoD will contact the employer to inform them of their employee's Reservist status. This is something you agree to when you sign the contract and has been since about 2005. Helpfully, the Army gives you about a month to tell your employer before they break the good news.

- SaBRE


Edit to add: I'm a Regular, but have had to deal with employer issues for a mobilised TA lad and it was an an absolute minefield.
 
#7
My old dad got the sack when he told his employer he was joining the TA.

Mind you he did work for Volkswagen in Germany in September 1939.
 
#8
If I was your boss you'd be fired the instant you mentioned the fact.

Mainly because I'd see you as a person with incredibly low standards and no sense of shame.
I was in the regs for 5 years. No shame in still giving a helping hand when deployed since its the same trade I'm doing anyway. Gives the biffs in the Regs more scope to give a bullshit reason for tour dodging.
 
#9
#10
Because, with the exception of one or two units, all TA soldiers are obliged to inform their employer.
And all their friends, blokes in the pub, random members of the public and, like the case I witnessed yesterday, in a plumber's merchants to everyone in earshot about how he'd "Been to the sandpit more times than he could remember"
 
#11
What's the best way to sell this to them?

Thanks guys.
You could go down the 'transferrable skills route' ie HGV, first aid at work, stuff you'll get from the TA that will benefit your employer.

You could try the 'Sabre might pay for you to....' and mention presentation dinners, visits to annual camp etc. My employer was flown out to Gib to watch us training.

Is that a start?
 
#12
I agree with Hector - would you tell your employer that you've taken up playing sunday league football?

As to the other posts about being obliged to inform the Army of your employers details so some old duffer from Sabre can write a letter to your employer - sod the TA, give the clerk the wrong details, no one will ever know and why should the TA be snooping around your primary source of income?

And FFS don't involve SaBRE if you want to keep your job - a mob of retired old duffers that think that all employers have an obligation to support the TA and when you lose your job, there is absolutely nothing they will or can do to help you.

I would also suggest that you refrain from carrying your mobile in a shoulder holster as that might give the game away.
 
#13
Because, with the exception of one or two units, all TA soldiers are obliged to inform their employer.
Genuine question - is that legally enforcable or just an internal MOD requirement? This is to say, if a TA soldier refused to provide the information, what action other than AGAI could the Army take? Would it stand up in an employment tribunal?

Sounds like a bluff to me.
 
#14
Integrity and all that - but I would have absolutely no compunction at all in making a few minor mistakes in the box marked "Employer Details". How, when and what I decide to say to a civilian employer is my decision. I've seen enough mistakes caused by well meaning MoD "information" releases thanks. And Sabre are worse than useless. Another old boys network to employ retired officers.
 
#15
Genuine question - is that legally enforcable or just an internal MOD requirement? This is to say, if a TA soldier refused to provide the information, what action other than AGAI could the Army take? Would it stand up in an employment tribunal?

Sounds like a bluff to me.
Why not give them your last employers details.

I don't think it's legally enforceable, but they might not let you join without putting something on the paperwork.

In the old days all you had to do was turn up have a very baisic medical and run 3 miles.

No references etc etc.
 
#16
Genuine question - is that legally enforcable or just an internal MOD requirement? This is to say, if a TA soldier refused to provide the information, what action other than AGAI could the Army take? Would it stand up in an employment tribunal?

Sounds like a bluff to me.
Don't know to be honest. I believe it's part of TACOS. Presumably if an employer appealed mobilisation on the basis that they were not informed that their employee was a reservist and it was refused they would be perfectly within their rights to sack them.
I bet MSR knows.
 
#17
Reserve Forces Act 1996 section4 said:
29 Employers’ consent before entering agreements.

(1)Before entering into a special agreement, a person shall—
(a)submit a declaration to an authorised person in the prescribed form stating whether he is in employment and, if so, giving the name of his employer and such other particulars as may be prescribed;
(b)where the person concerned is in employment with an employer which is qualifying employment, produce to an authorised person a document recording the consent of that employer to his entering into the agreement.

(2)Where an authorised person is satisfied at the time a person enters into a special agreement that—
(a)he is not in qualifying employment; or
(b)he is in qualifying employment and the employer has consented to his entering into the agreement,
the validity of the agreement shall not be affected by any failure to comply with section 28(2); and a document purporting to be a certificate signed by the authorised person stating that he is satisfied of those matters shall be evidence of that fact.

(3)Where a person has more than one qualifying employment, subsections (1) and (2) apply separately in relation to each employer of his.

(4)In this section and section 30 “authorised person” means a person authorised by or in accordance with directions of the Defence Council for the purpose of exercising the functions concerned.
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#18
And all their friends, blokes in the pub, random members of the public and, like the case I witnessed yesterday, in a plumber's merchants to everyone in earshot about how he'd "Been to the sandpit more times than he could remember"
Did you march up to them call them a "gopping STAB ****" and repeatedly chest poke them whilst berating them for having the temerity to even refer to miltary service in your presence? I bet you ******* didn't, did you?
 
#19
Did you march up to them call them a "gopping STAB ****" and repeatedly chest poke them whilst berating them for having the temerity to even refer to miltary service in your presence? I bet you ******* didn't, did you?
Of course I didn't. I was only there to buy a new mixer tap. A raised eyebrow and a wry smile to the bloke behind the counter was enough. Well, that along with my dessies, faded maroon t-shirt, aviators jacket and dusty MTP daysack.
 

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