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Bradley manning trial - charge sheets

#2
How on earth do you arrive at these values.
$1000 is a watershed figure. If the value of the 'thing of value' is greater than $1000, a person guilty of the offence is liable to a term of imprisonment of up to ten years, if less than $1000, then the maximum prison term is one year. I would imagine that it would be very easy for them to demonstrate that the items they have listed as having a value in excess of $1000 would have cost them more than that amount to gather and document.

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#4
$1000 is a watershed figure. If the value of the 'thing of value' is greater than $1000, a person guilty of the offence is liable to a term of imprisonment of up to ten years, if less than $1000, then the maximum prison term is one year. I would imagine that it would be very easy for them to demonstrate that the items they have listed as having a value in excess of $1000 would have cost them more than that amount to gather and document.

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Thanks for that.
 
#5
I'm sure the crypto-commies on the Grauniad will be whining and mewling for Bradley Manning, but I won't.
I can't see any way out for him. He didn't "whistleblow" (i.e. communicate belief in a specific illegal activity) he just tried to make his government/Army look ridiculous.

That said I do think the US response toward Assange was a bit heavy handed, although he is a crank and probably deserves it.
 
#6
I can't see any way out for him. He didn't "whistleblow" (i.e. communicate belief in a specific illegal activity) he just tried to make his government/Army look ridiculous.

That said I do think the US response toward Assange was a bit heavy handed, although he is a crank and probably deserves it.
I think there's no doubt that young Bradley is toast - there will doubtless be some inventive strokes from his legal team but he's going down and will join those other martyrs whose names we will never forget like, errr ....

What might be interesting is how much evidence is introduced regarding his personality, mental stability, etc. That might result in embarrassing questions for DOD about why he was recruited, vetted and allowed continued access after it became apparent he wasn't really the best person to let loose on classified databases.

Assange? - a tit with a cause, and I think the titishness overtook any righteousness the cause possessed.
 
#8
I think there's no doubt that young Bradley is toast - there will doubtless be some inventive strokes from his legal team but he's going down and will join those other martyrs whose names we will never forget like, errr ....
Yep. I've got respect for actual whistleblowers who identify something illegal happening and speak out. They're protected by law in this country (not sure about stateside). But this guy wasn't a whistleblower, just disillusioned, and it was pretty irresponsible to 'data dump' in the way he did. He could have (possibly did?) put lives at risk.

What might be interesting is how much evidence is introduced regarding his personality, mental stability, etc. That might result in embarrassing questions for DOD about why he was recruited, vetted and allowed continued access after it became apparent he wasn't really the best person to let loose on classified databases.
This is the bit that always mystifies me too. Such stringent assessments and vetting procedures which always seem to fail. I thought this after the tragic incident on HMS Astute this year - anybody could see the guy was a complete crank. I'm amazed he ever got through DV.

Assange? - a tit with a cause, and I think the titishness overtook any righteousness the cause possessed.
At first I respected him for not caving, but then the data-dump frittered away his credibility (the rape allegations didn't help). Private Eye did the rest - if you've not been following it he started telephoning Ian Hislop, spinning his conspiracy theories about how Alan Rusbridger was part of a Jewish conspiracy to discredit him (Assange). Hislop quickly pointed out that Rusbridger isn't Jewish...
 
#10
Who is to say he didn't take his problems and grievances to his CoC?

Perhaps he did, and was effed off at the high port, so went nuclear.
Again I don't know about state-side, but here the Public Interest Disclosure Act 1998 does not provide protection for people who make public disclosures. It has to be made to a 'Prescribed Person' or, failing that, a 'responsible person'. Journalists are rarely 'responsible persons'. You are allowed to make disclosures other than your employer, if you reasonably believe your employer would either attempt to destroy evidence or fail to act or would attempt to inflict detriment upon the person making the allegations. But this does not allow you to disclose allegations or information to any old loon.

Also, Manning doesn't appear to have identified any specific or systemic illegality and disclosed this (this would perhaps have been defensible). It was literally a data dump and about 99.9% of it was trivia/gossip.

If he had tried to bring specific illegality to the attention of several public authorities and he was rebuffed at every stage, then he might have a defence. He doesn't appear to have done this. I am not aware of this being a line of defence that has been entered. I am similarly not aware of this defence ever having succeeded in the UK.

He's screwed, in my (amateur) opinion.
 
#11
Some Irish hack type reviewing the papers on Skye this morning said
"Yes that's right he is only 22 still just a child". So hat's OK then, my heart pumps pure piss for him. As for Assange, the sooner that moralising piece of shit gets sent out of the UK to face trial the better. Both of these bastards were quite willing to put at risk the lives of people that were working for us in Afghanistan. **** em.
 
#12
It's quite simple really. They are called "secrets" for a reason. He hasn't blown the whistle on someone using the company credit card on hookers or exposed MP expenses.

He's wilfully, with forethought, committed a treasonous act.

I'd fry the little twat for the danger that he's done, not only to the US, but also to other nations.
 
#13
Some Irish hack type reviewing the papers on Skye this morning said
"Yes that's right he is only 22 still just a child". So hat's OK then, my heart pumps pure piss for him. As for Assange, the sooner that moralising piece of shit gets sent out of the UK to face trial the better. Both of these bastards were quite willing to put at risk the lives of people that were working for us in Afghanistan. **** em.
I'm a bit surprised the West Highland Free Press are covering the story to be honest :)
 
#15
Is he being charged for being a spunk-absoring **** merchant and half-Welsh too?

I believe that those two charges alone carry the maximum sentance in US Military law?
 
#17
Some Irish hack type reviewing the papers on Skye this morning said
"Yes that's right he is only 22 still just a child". So hat's OK then, my heart pumps pure piss for him. As for Assange, the sooner that moralising piece of shit gets sent out of the UK to face trial the better. Both of these bastards were quite willing to put at risk the lives of people that were working for us in Afghanistan. **** em.
Have you done jury service yet, you turd?
 
#18
AWWWW poor widdle Bradley. Why's everyone so concerned? The little pole smoker will be spending the next 30 years taking it up his hoop from big, brawny men, just like he wants it.
 
#19
AWWWW poor widdle Bradley. Why's everyone so concerned? The little pole smoker will be spending the next 30 years taking it up his hoop from big, brawny men, just like he wants it.
Are you saying that US military prisons are a hotbed of steaming homosexuality? And what attracts so many gay men into the US military?

As for Manning, guilty as sin and will do lots of time but I suspect the chap who vetoed his discharge on the basis that his IT skills were needed needs to take a long hard look at his decision.
 
#20
Are you saying that US military prisons are a hotbed of steaming homosexuality? And what attracts so many gay men into the US military?

As for Manning, guilty as sin and will do lots of time but I suspect the chap who vetoed his discharge on the basis that his IT skills were needed needs to take a long hard look at his decision.
What was it that Churchill said about "Rum, sodomy and the lash"? I'd not be surprised that some men cooped up for decades look for the nearest turd chute that comes down the pike. And look, here comes little Bwadley! Tho thenthitive that he had to divulge clathified docth while he lithened to Lady Gaga.
 

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