BPFA!! why cant we read!!

#1
Why does the Army have a non specific fitness test, which is an assesment and then fail people.

I have had soldiers go to Grantham a be RTU'ed for failing the run. I then find out that there has been a change in policy that the BPFA is now pass or fail for TA recruits. Why have a full set of PTI's and not offer some remedial trg like the Regs would get????

Again the one Army concept is really working!!!!
 

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#2
I moved this as it was clearly in the wrong place...
 
#3
evilone said:
Why does the Army have a non specific fitness test, which is an assesment and then fail people.

I have had soldiers go to Grantham a be RTU'ed for failing the run. I then find out that there has been a change in policy that the BPFA is now pass or fail for TA recruits. Why have a full set of PTI's and not offer some remedial trg like the Regs would get????

Again the one Army concept is really working!!!!
Because we don't want fat fcukers.

Regular recruits remedial training is done over days and weeks. TA soldiers cannot be kept hanging around until they are fit enough. If the TA lads are committed enough they should go home, get fit, come back.

As for "one Army concept". Never heard of it. Can't see why we need one, quite frankly, as we expect different things from our Regular and TA soldiers. Anyway, I won't get drawn on that one...

I
 
#4
A fitness test that involves sit ups ..we are told ...to test abdominal muscle strength.

Do " they" not realise that once you raise the torso over an angle of 30 degrees you are exercising your hip flexors, not your abdominal muscles...and also placing excessive strain on your lower back....further increasing the risk of injury.

A really nice test for those who want to stay fit and healthy. Not.
 
#5
One thing noticed regarding CMS(R) is the shifting standards between training establishments. Grantham is at one end of the scale known for being pretty relaxed but you come out with the skills, Lichfield at the other has them coming out with a hatred or fear of anything with a stripe on them (well disciplined and pretty fit/broken though).

Fitness standards, when I attended CMS(R) I had to get green or be binned, however I know people who have come back and still come in at 11 or 12mins. I think it depends on the mood and particular training team dicked for that course.

CMS(R) is there to teach the core skills, however there is still time to train the soldiers afterwards, and so if they are not quite coming in on the times required or of adequate strength then note it on the report and carry on- as long as it's not taking the absolute piss (i.e they walk in smiling half an hour after everyone else with a pie and a ca of coke). There's plenty of opportunity for remidial PT on a drill night/weekend and during the course. After all these people have taken time off work and sacrificed other comitments to come along and so most of them take it pretty seriously.

Actually from what I've observed from the CMS(R) system it's still quite messed up, half the DS can't have even read the syllabus! This is a fitness discussion but if anyone wants to bring up the other areas then PM or start a thread elsewhere.
 
#6
Gents

I must admit I have a grudge against the Army over fitness. There is nothing I like better than a good workout. Its just that through severe injury I cannot run as fast as the next bloke, but I more than make up for it in other areas.

I am thoroughly cheesed off with being downgraded. I joined up very fit and I want to do my 22 and leave .....fit and healthy.

I have been trying for years to get my injuries sorted, various civilian medical authorities have diagnosed the injury. I have informed the Doc in the Med Center....only to get the reply...."What makes you think you know ?"....or "You are a soldier - go away and live with it. "

I am sure I am not the only Soldier in this situation...can anyone help me out on this ?
 
#7
Interceptor said:
Can't see why we need one, quite frankly, as we expect different things from our Regular and TA soldiers.
Until they are mobilised together for the same operation.

msr
 
#8
Fella's! perhaps its time to get a grip of yourselves!!

A BPFA is a BASIC personal fitness accessment! BASIC!!!!

If you are having troubles doing the ARMY BASIC test then perhaps you should try some other vocation!!

If you cant do the BASIC test then how do you expect to pass any of the other tests!!! ( all manner of CFT's )

And as for being on the biff! Well you obviously are not robust enough, so again another vocation maybe more suitable for you!!


WRVS are always looking for people!!!

And before you start gobing off about being 'Big Boned' or 'Hyper active glands' (you fat c@nts) Im over 30, just shy of 14 stone and still has 2.30 spare on my BPFA!!!!!!!!! No F@cking Excuses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
#9
Dear Mollzers,

I am not going to come out with any of the classic excuses, like being big boned or having hyperactive glands.

In the Army we teach First Aid. If when I injured myself, the Staffy in charge of the Fitter Section had practised what he had been taught, I would not be in this situation today.

I am asking for serious advice on how to reolve the situation.

What should a Soldier do when he has been injured and nobody will listen to him?

Can you recommend a course of action to get the Soldier fit again, in order that he can complete his 22 years service?

Regards,

Doughnut.
 
#10
msr said:
Interceptor said:
Can't see why we need one, quite frankly, as we expect different things from our Regular and TA soldiers.
Until they are mobilised together for the same operation.

msr
I fully agree, MSR. Maybe this example will illuminate my statement.

Regular soldiers are expected to be on the ball, ready to deploy pretty much all of the time. Eg, if you serve in an Armoured Brigade, you know that you will be off on holiday at least once every 3 years. Therefore, we need soldiers who are always there or thereabouts, collectively trained up to CT5.

We expect different things of our TA soldiers and Reservists. They will often be deployed as augmentees with very little notice and little time to reach the standards of Regulars who have been through the training year and reached CT5.

Do we expect the same things of our Regs and Reserves? Absolutely not.
 
#12
Doughnut said:
In the Army we teach First Aid. If when I injured myself, the Staffy in charge of the Fitter Section had practised what he had been taught, I would not be in this situation today.
Not any more we don't, it's now 'Battlefield Casualty Drills' where we are told that we can't mess around saving someone's life with CPR or EAR as it's a wast of time in a 'Battlefield' situation, but they spend 10 minutes on the correct way to empty a female casualty's top pockets so as not to offend.... What a load of bollox!

Now if people are worried by the standard of fitness in the army today, fine. But I'm a lot more worried by the standard of 'First Aid' when we find ourselves out on training areas messing around with dangerous kit miles from any road and the only 5 helicopters that army have left are grounded due to a shortage of spares or fuel.

Then the young tw4t that you do send for help walks because he's not fit enough to run a couple of miles without stopping!
 
#13
Gentlemen,

Please, I dont eat doughnuts. I have done 17 years service, so I guess I am not a young tw4t either.
 
#15
Plant-Pilot,

Not a problem. Its just that after all this time I am very sensitive over the whole issue. I have had a civilian sports physiotherapist diagnose the injury within minutes. "The Army" has taken well over 6 years and not had any success.

People are now questioning my ability and integrity as a Soldier. I want to do my 22 because I believe in the value of professionalism. How on earth do I get the situation sorted out?
 
#16
Doughnut, can't offer any advice but can sympathise whole heartedly.
I suffered years of army misdiagnosis and eventually had my injury fixed by German surgeons (after my discharge) and received a gratuity from the war pensions dept.
Problem is when you know you have a genuine problem, it's been medically recognised but the army fails to recognise it and you get grouped together with the rest of the 'sick, lame and lazy'.
Maybe try demanding to see a specialist - I wish I'd had the balls to do that whilst I was serving instead of waiting till I was out - maybe I'd never have had to apply for a war pension 'cos my injury would have been fixed - who knows?
 
#18
Mollzer's - dead right. BASIC. FITNESS. ASSESSMENT. I just did cms(r) and at least four or five men, and three or four women failed the BPFA run. One doris barely completed the warm up, and ducked out. It took about five days before the useless lump was finally RTU'd. I got back-squadded through illness, but I can almost guarantee that most of those guys who failed the run and gave a bloody dismal showing on the pressups (one guy managed 20, just about, in two minutes) managed to pass the course. Other than that, the standard of instruction and discipline was pretty good, we had a good bunch of instructors, etc. I just couldnt believe how much frucking chaff got through the net. The vibe I picked up was 'we're TA, not frucking 22 SAS' but FFS! Cant get hold of a mile and a half in 13 minutes?! Not to mention (same useless doris) those who had'nt taken care of their feet, and were left foot-raped, with really gnarly blisters. I'm not an infantryman yet - thanks to a dose of shits that would make an Ethiopian proud, I'm at a lower stage than the friends I made on that course (most of them were good, hard working guys). But am I wrong in thinking that your feet are your own bloody responsibility, and you should have your boots sorted, and feet taped, etc. before going on a course? Half of the people with bitching blisters hadnt broken their boots in, let alone spirited and taped their feet. Then they had the nerve to bloody go sick!! (not to mention taking liberties with my blister kit that I didnt need...) Its things like that that piss the regs off - basic skills that people should bloody know, and not shrug their ignorance off by saying 'oh, we're TA, that sh-its just for people who do this full-time.'

Out on the first field ex, we had some downtime, and were having a wee Q&A with the troopie. "Any complaints?" he asks. "Yessir," pipe up the showers "our units didn't prepare us for the fitness." AAAAAAARGH!! Fitness is a PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Irrespective of the medical condition I had at the time, I nearly shat myself on hearing that. Perhaps their units should wipe their arrses as well? Not to mention one suspect Walt, who claimed to have been ex Irish Infantry. (WITH a magazine of cheap puns...LOAD!) Wanted to fire the L85 left handed. (In my humble opinion, the DS should have let him....). Then, on the SAT range (or whatever the bloody thing's called now) he managed to get a grouping of... wait for it....... 1600 mm. AT 25 METRES. Again, I nearly shat. He was one of the ones who failed the BPFA. ("ah, oim tirty foive, oim a little bit awlder dan you goys"). Dont get me wrong, he was a nice guy. But he should have been RTU'd on failing the BPFA, with the rest who failed. Fitness is a PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY (said that before, have I?). It does no good to those who work on fitness, skills and drills in their own time to see standards being shat on left, right and centre. If people aren't fit in basic, WTF's the incentive for them to be fit at their unit (most were corps guys/gals - not much tabbing)? And if they're not fit, they are no use on ops. Which is, ultimately, what soldiers are for. Rant over.

Sarnian... out.
 
#19
I think ta units should asses fitness of blokes more often and ensure blokes
are fit to go before going off on courses.
 
#20
Annabel,

I guess there are hundreds in the same situation. I am seeing a specialist at the moment, I have pointed him in the right direction but he says it is a "matter of procedure to follow other tests first".

Thanks for the support.
 
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