Boyes AT Rifle

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Apparently, the ammunition is worth more than the weapon nowadays!
 

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You can still own and fire them in Canada and NZ! That is if you can get ammo!
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Lots of info

The Rifle, Anti-Tank, .55in, Boys commonly known as the Boys or often and incorrectly Boyes Anti-tank Rifle was a British anti-tank rifle. There were two main types, an early model (MK I) which had a circular muzzle brake and T shaped bipod, and a later model (Mk II) that had a square muzzle brake and a V shaped bipod. There were also different cartridges, with a later one offering better penetration.

Boys AT Rifle
 

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Waithbrate said:
That was the M82 Barrett of WW2
No I'll think you'll find that was the milan or javelin or even 84mm of its day. Inf then didnt have anything else and the barrat wasnt designed to destroy what were classed as Infanty tankks which is what the Boys was designed for.
36 lbs only to be carried for short distances eh? never mind the bleedin 84 I tabbed miles with that!
 
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Suppose so

But then again, I think the PIAT Launcher or the Panzershreck would be the Carl Gustav/MILAN/Javelin of that time

Ever seen the WW1 13mm T Gewehr?
 

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Waithbrate said:
Suppose so

But then again, I think the PIAT Launcher or the Panzershreck would be the Carl Gustav/MILAN/Javelin of that time

Ever seen the WW1 13mm T Gewehr?
Yes I have and its a monster, the Boys was the weapon of its day and therefore it was the PIAT of its day too. Only relegated for use against Japs and Macdonald Fraser relates using the PIAT in Burma only once.
I know someone who did a demo for them before the barrat was available and he still shudders at the recollection.
 
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ugly said:
Waithbrate said:
Suppose so

But then again, I think the PIAT Launcher or the Panzershreck would be the Carl Gustav/MILAN/Javelin of that time

Ever seen the WW1 13mm T Gewehr?
Yes I have and its a monster.
The 20mm Solothurn S-18-100 was just a bit OTT: but worked!
 

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Blogg said:
ugly said:
Waithbrate said:
Suppose so

But then again, I think the PIAT Launcher or the Panzershreck would be the Carl Gustav/MILAN/Javelin of that time

Ever seen the WW1 13mm T Gewehr?
Yes I have and its a monster.
The 20mm Solothurn S-18-100 was just a bit OTT: but worked!
IIRC: that monster was based on a 20mm AA cannon. You put your mag in, aimed, held on and prayed.

No wonder some versions where mounted on carts, like the Soviet Maxim.
 
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Many moons ago when I was about 12 and used to help out at a tank museum I was given a Boyes and made to sit in the gunners seat of a Bren carrier.... happy days :)

No know it was a Mk1 as remember the crew T tripod and round muzzle break!

Was longer than I was tall and the blokes had used up all the ammunition the year before and wouldn't even let me have any blank... (well I was 12!!)
 
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Praetorian said:
Apparently, the ammunition is worth more than the weapon nowadays!
Please don't tell me that. I'm sure I destroyed about 20 rounds for that weapon (or similar) a few years back.
 
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I've fired a Boys.

We had an officer whose brother was an arms dealer and allowed to keep such funnies. One TA weekend we set up a jolly jape, I appeared fresh from a course and unveiled the new inf/arty projectile weapon. One blank round into the Boys. a nifty detonation of 1lb of PE and a gallon of petrol at 300m and lots of very impressed people.
 

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ugly said:
You can still own and fire them in Canada and NZ! That is if you can get ammo!
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And in the UK if one has access to the required ranges.
 

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Quite right cuts, I have shot alongside members of the 50 club and very nice they are too. They do seem to consider 1000 yards a tad limiting though!
 
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Does anyone know the ballistics of the Boyes round? Can't be ARRSED to 'google' it - also, how does it compare to the US .50 round?
Know that Rolls-Royce began a project to build an air-to-air machine gun using the Boyes round but, apparently, had vibration problems.
 

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There were two main service loads used during WWII, the W Mark 1 (60 g AP at 747 m/s) and the W Mark 2 ammunition (47.6 g AP projectile at 884 m/s). Later in the conflict, but too late for service use, a much more effective high velocity round was developed, this fired a tungsten cored Armour-Piercing, Composite Rigid (APCR) design at 945 m/s.
copied from wiki
 
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These rifles were even used to sink a couple of German minisubs. Apparently these minisubs would sail with the conning tower above water a few hundred yards from the Belgian coast, and could be holed at the waterline with the Boyes leading them to take on water.

I would give you more details but I gave the magazine containing the article to the (in)famous Jan Stevenson last summer (namedropping? Me? Never...)
 
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Thanks 'Ugly', but I'm too old to go metric...Can you put that into good old grains and FPS for me?
Going on to 'Stoats' post, I heard they were used in the far east to knock off Jap snipers high up behind trees by shooting through the tree-trunk..
 

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