BOWMAN - would you go to war with it?

Discussion in 'Royal Signals' started by Zorro, Apr 27, 2004.

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  1. BOWMAN has now been declared In Service, fantastic!

    Tony and his cronies are about to send more lads to the Gulf so will they take BOWMAN (great flag waving opportunity!) on the back of this declaration. If so would the system actually provide what it is supposed to do and be sustainable or have the 'Big Cheeses' signed of a system that is far from ready to be In Service??

    Comments?? :x
  2. Having only had experience with Bowman through rumour and various uninformed briefings i have to say i am optomistic however would i go to war with it? Only time will tell.

    But anything has got to be better than Clansman?
  3. Depends what u want out of it I suppose, aren't the radios already in service with the septics/canadians?

    Hasn't 12 Mech Bde just completed their conversion.
  4. The Canadians use it in a totally different way, 12 Bde are in the middle of converision (some have,some in process, some to go!!) but not all of the system is robust yet as far as i know.

    Voice is good but that is about it, but is that enough. We cant fix it without external support and would the civie company really come out to repair a duff radio in the middle of Bagdad! ("Incoming!!"), me thinks not :cry:
  5. There is a great deal of water still left to flow beneath the bridge before we'll see BOWMAN in Iraq.

    12 Bde handled the conversion process very well - indeed, the reason that the process is continuing apace is thanks to the vision and foresight of a few R Sigs personnel. :D
  6. Absolutely agree ref the Corps involvement :D , not sure if i agree with your other remark.

    Even with commercialisation there will always be a need for CNR so it will go eventually. If our glorious leader (TB) decides to send troops from 12 then Bowman is all they have to take.

    The point being just because BOWMAN is now 'In service' it does not make it ready to be deployed. Will this stop some MP sending BOWMAN anyway? Surely as far as the Govt goes, in service means in service? :?:

    If its not ready to be deployed why was it given its ISD (it didnt conform to its ISD spec did it!)
  7. maybe not
    they may send the troops and use wagons etc that are already in theatre?
    saves on lots of big boats going back and forward with trucks all the time and constant repaints from sand to green and back

    i reckon it will take a while before bowman gets anywhere near live bullets
  8. From Friday's Telegraph

  9. A resounding vote of confidence so far usual :roll:
  10. Why bother with such a beast?

    Maybe just go back to 42 sets :lol:
  11. as a bit of a thicky when it comes to technology , can anyone explain in terms i'll understand , why in the age of digital technology , when everything is getting smaller , we've introduced a radio that is 3 times heavier and bigger than the last one , not too bad if your on a sigs det , but what about the poor old platoon sigs bod who's going to have at some stage to manpack this f*cking portacabin with an aerial , oh , and only MINOR rf burns .............that's ok then :roll:
  13. The reason that BOWMAN kit is so heavy is due to an incredibly byzantine procurement process, in which far too many people (usually passed over Majors and abandoned Lt Cols in crappy offices across the South West) all want to 'have an impact' on the project.

    BOWMAN kit (like most kit) needs to undergo a process called 'ruggedisation'. This means it needs to withstand a variety of environmental factors. These factors are laid down by MoD.

    The highlights of the BOWMAN programme are (and these are all true):

    1. Equipment must be able to withstand 4'' rain in a 24 hour period.
    2. Equipment must be able to function effectively within 300m of Ground Zero of an atomic blast not exceeding 100KT.
    3. Equipment must be capable of functioning effectively after a drop from a height not exceeding 21.5''
    4. Equipment must be capable of being lifted by no more than 4 average adult males (excluding printers).
    5. Equipment must be capable of being operated by an average adult male wearing arctic mittens.
    6. Equipment must be easy to use (!)
    7. Equipment must come fitted with a large array of pointless flashing lights.
    8. The BOWMAN programme must enable a huge number of serving officers the opportunity to leave the service to go and work for GD(UK).
    9. BOWMAN must present the user with geographically incorrect information.
    10. BOWMAN must not allow the user any flexibility whatsoever.
    11. BOWMAN platforms must take at least 4 days and the power output of 3 Nuclear Power Stations to initialise.
    12. BOWMAN must seriously compromise the safety of British soldiers unfortunate enough to deploy with it.

    I hear that soldiers are 'receiving burns' from BOWMAN antennae. Whilst RF burns are hardly a new phenomenon, the truly alarming thing is that the upper echelons of the MoD are bowing to political pressure to get this dangerously unsafe project in. If you think that a couple of R Anglian soldiers with flash burns is hot news...stand by. :(
  14. Gender free then I suppose - coupled with there will always be 4 people to lift the thing - I can see it now H&S and Duty of Care people getting in on this one :roll:
  15. DangerMouse

    DangerMouse Old-Salt Moderator

    Apparently Bowman 12 Mech Bde is deploying on TELIC with Bowman, in Spring.