Bounty value for new guys

#1
I was at TA last night and one of the guys who was on my CMSR got £165 for his bounty (I haven't checked but I'm assuming I got the same), is this because we've only just become trained soldiers (CMSR in Feb 08)? If so then do we get the minimum bounty next year (£360ish) or the next level up?

Cheers,
Andy
 
#4
Mines seriously cocked up too. £405 after a total of 11 years service, albeit 9 in the regs. Not that I do it for the money....
 
#5
Rockhopperst4 said:
I've just had mine (did 1C about two months ago) and it was £405 (my first one).
When were you attested? Just spoken to JPA and they think it may be that I was attested in August.
 
#7
Its becuase you are getting a part bounty as opposed to a full one, I think its a new idea.

Those that manage 12 months, 28 days MATTS etc get the £405, the rest is made up from how long you have been in since attestation
 
#8
Mag_to_grid said:
Mines seriously cocked up too. £405 after a total of 11 years service, albeit 9 in the regs. Not that I do it for the money....
Question 1 is this your first bounty payment in the TA ?

Question 2 How long was it from leaving the Regs to joining the TA ?

If the answer to 1 is yes and 2 is more than 2 yrs then that is the correct payment
 
#9
andb said:
Rockhopperst4 said:
I've just had mine (did 1C about two months ago) and it was £405 (my first one).
When were you attested? Just spoken to JPA and they think it may be that I was attested in August.
I was attested about 18 months ago now. We were told that completing 1C qualifies us for bounty (although i'm specialist TA so we don't have drill nights etc so that might make a difference).
 
#10
wellyhead said:
Mag_to_grid said:
Mines seriously cocked up too. £405 after a total of 11 years service, albeit 9 in the regs. Not that I do it for the money....
Question 1 is this your first bounty payment in the TA ?

Question 2 How long was it from leaving the Regs to joining the TA ?

If the answer to 1 is yes and 2 is more than 2 yrs then that is the correct payment
It is my first though I had been out less than six months. Been onto my Ch Clrk who has told me I will get the full amount now and it is a mistake.
 
#11
Yeah then that an admin cock up, I was told I would get the grand and a half becasse of my 12 yrs reg exp, but becuase I was out longer than 2 yrs I losrt all seniority and got the £405.

Tha pain is that it should of been my second, the first would of been a part bounty as I joined in the middle of the year
 
#12
Can I just check, is it for real that we only get a part bounty if you didnt serve a full year? Because I have just been paid my bounty and got £236.

Now I know I only attested in August, but I worked my butt off to attend regularly and I got fully trained and met all the requirement in 8 months, so why shouldnt I get the full amount?

Could someone clarify please.

many thanks
Raab
 
#13
Commander_Raab said:
Can I just check, is it for real that we only get a part bounty if you didnt serve a full year? Because I have just been paid my bounty and got £236.

Now I know I only attested in August, but I worked my butt off to attend regularly and I got fully trained and met all the requirement in 8 months, so why shouldnt I get the full amount?
Because you haven't served a full year. That's the way it is unfortunately. You used to be entitled to one reduced year bounty (not reduced camp), which I was told people normally took in their last year in order to maximise on the amount that they got. This meant that a lot of people in their first year didn't get a bounty at all.

The new system means that you get something at least, and you're one step up the bounty ladder for next year. You have been given 7 months worth, it's better than nothing.
 
#14
Thanks for the reply, this isnt aimed at you, however I really disagree with the new system. All the literature on the bounty from a wide variety of sources all state that as long as you meet all the requirements, then you get your bounty. I probably did more in 7 months than others did in a whole year, so why should I be punished?

*rant start*

The bounty is not to do with time served, if it was then you would get it regardless of passing tests or not. It is results based, you meet the requirements, you get it. I think this is a cheap and cynical development :(

Yes it is better than nothing as I will get a full one next year, however it is the principle of the matter. And I personally like to stand up for principles. If they are going to do this from now on, then they need to include in the literature "as long as you serve a FULL year and pass all your MATTS and do enough MTD's"

*rant end*

raab

P.S. this is not to appear unappreciative of the efforts of my unit staff in securing my bounty for me, just the principle of the matter :)
 
#15
Thanks for the reply, this isnt aimed at you, however I really disagree with the new system. All the literature on the bounty from a wide variety of sources all state that as long as you meet all the requirements, then you get your bounty. I probably did more in 7 months than others did in a whole year, so why should I be punished?

*rant start*

The bounty is not to do with time served, if it was then you would get it regardless of passing tests or not. It is results based, you meet the requirements, you get it. I think this is a cheap and cynical development :(

Yes it is better than nothing as I will get a full one next year, however it is the principle of the matter. And I personally like to stand up for principles. If they are going to do this from now on, then they need to include in the literature "as long as you serve a FULL year and pass all your MATTS and do enough MTD's"

*rant end*

raab

P.S. this is not to appear unappreciative of the efforts of my unit staff in securing my bounty for me, just the principle of the matter :)
 
#16
The new system started last year to replace the system where you could not get a bounty in both your first and last year you now receive a proportion of bounty in your first and last year!

Wellyhead - If you had been out less than 3 years you were robbed!!

Mag to grid - get on to your Unit HR it's an easy process to change your level.

PW
 
#17
The change to the rules almost certainly co-incides with JPA going live.
We adopted Oracle-HR in my civvy job some years ago and many of our allowances went for a ball of chalk and we were forced to do things the way Oracle does it. Some similarities were notes when JPA took over our TA Pay.
Although we've since ditched Oracle-HR the damage has been done, much as our beloved TEA will never return.
The thing you have to check is that whoever defined the "business rules" for receiving a Bounty after PRS got it right and that they were input into JPA correctly. (Sounds like it's doing what it's been told, otherwise everyone would be getting wrong amounts?)
Then it's up to the corps of Special Pencil Sharpeners to make the correct settings for your own specific circumstances and the computer will do what it's been programmed to do, based on the data.
Two more things to consider - In CivDiv a change to allowances is often regarded as a change in working conditions, but this is the Army - I imagine they can do pretty much what they like without asking anyone.
And.. recruiting blurb is notoriously difficult to keep up-to-date with changes so you may well have been given out-of-date information when you joined up (or it may have been in date if it was before April 07).
As someone else said, it's still more than you used to get, so get your Pay blokes to check your details are correct, but be ready to accept it isn't going to change!
Toodle pip
Sticky
 
#18
paywog said:
The new system started last year to replace the system where you could not get a bounty in both your first and last year you now receive a proportion of bounty in your first and last year!

Wellyhead - If you had been out less than 3 years you were robbed!!

Mag to grid - get on to your Unit HR it's an easy process to change your level.

PW
My bold, I was led to believe that the new system gave you full bounty in your last year to make up for the fact there is now a staggered amount depending on length of service... Is this a load of cack then?
 
#19
Depends on the proportion of the training year you complete - if you join part way through a training year and you complete 12 years or multiples thereof you will also leave part way through the training year and therefore receive a proportional amount at both ends.

PW
 
#20
paywog said:
The new system started last year to replace the system where you could not get a bounty in both your first and last year you now receive a proportion of bounty in your first and last year!

Wellyhead - If you had been out less than 3 years you were robbed!!

Mag to grid - get on to your Unit HR it's an easy process to change your level.

PW
So despite the fact that we lose more people in the first three years than every other year of service combined, we are now fannying around with the first year bounty?

For the love of god, who came up with that nonsense?

I despair, I really do. The TA is becoming an organisation I am having increasing difficulty recommending to anyone.

msr
 

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