Bounty after mobilisation

#1
There's a story in today's Daily Express about a TA soldier who has been denied his bounty for not doing enough training days - despite being mobilised and spending 6 months in Iraq.

An MOD spokesman is quoted as saying 'the annual bonus was a training payment so active service could not could towards qualifying for it'.

From what I've seen, COs are giving the bounty to anyone who has been mobilised - so is this guy the subject of a one-off f*** up or are lots of people in the same situation?
 
#2
crossed_axes said:
COs are giving the bounty to anyone who has been mobilised
Been covered on here before, its down to individual units CO's most have waived the requirement.
Which unit was it?
 
#3
crossed_axes said:
....... a TA soldier who has been denied his bounty for not doing enough training days - despite being mobilised and spending 6 months in Iraq.
Some people just show no commitment :lol:
 
#4
No doubt the CO will wonder why this bloke throws his kit through the front gate with a note saying where to insert said kit.

Nil points for man management.
 
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#6
My understanding was that Glasgow had accepted that mobilised service could stand in lieu of an annual camp but that mobiised TA would still need to complete their out of camp training requirement.
 
#7
FFS,

Your estate even gets your bounty if you die during the training year and it looked like you would have certified FFR.

msr
 
#8
chickenpunk said:
My understanding was that Glasgow had accepted that mobilised service could stand in lieu of an annual camp but that mobiised TA would still need to complete their out of camp training requirement.
That's right.

TA soldiers have a minimum requirement of 15 days "in camp" and 12 days "out of camp" training. Mobilisation may count in lieu of camp but not (subject to waiver by CO, I guess) in lieu of training out of camp.

It is a wnaker of a requirement, one which is being looked at - not least because questions have been raised about it in Parliament by the servants of Dr Evil!

Statement by Ivor Caplin MP to the House of Commons on 22 Jan 2004:

"While compulsory mobilisation does not in itself qualify members of the Territorial Army for their annual training bounty, certain aspects of that service can contribute towards the award. For example, mobilised service in theatre can be considered as meeting the requirement for a 15-day camp (or training in lieu)."

(Evil emphasis added; note that nothing was said by Cap-in-yo-ass-lin regarding out of camp training)
 
#9
Dr Evil said:
chickenpunk said:
My understanding was that Glasgow had accepted that mobilised service could stand in lieu of an annual camp but that mobiised TA would still need to complete their out of camp training requirement.
As a tour is 6 months you still have enough time either prior to or after the tour to get the 12 days in. All the guys on Op Telic 1 with me have managed to get the days in, with one having his time extended period extended to May to allow. 8O
 
#10
OldGit said:
As a tour is 6 months you still have enough time either prior to or after the tour to get the 12 days in. All the guys on Op Telic 1 with me have managed to get the days in, with one having his time extended period extended to May to allow. 8O
Funny, that. Our OP TELIC 4 guys are on nine-month call-ups, leaving them three months to get the days in. Bearing in mind that post-demob most people want little to do with the green machine for a few months, it's not all that easy to get the 12 days.
 
#11
OldGit said:
As a tour is 6 months you still have enough time either prior to or after the tour to get the 12 days in.
Thats not the point is it, spend 6 months doing service to your country and then to be told your short of days is a bloomin joke.
I bet for a few this was the final nail in the coffin and have since left (after picking their bounty of course).
 
#12
polar said:
I bet for a few this was the final nail in the coffin and have since left (after picking their bounty of course).
Surely, after not picking up their bounty...

msr
 
#14
polar said:
Thats not the point is it, spend 6 months doing service to your country and then to be told your short of days is a bloomin joke.
I bet for a few this was the final nail in the coffin and have since left (after picking their bounty of course).
We have had only 1 soldier leave the unit after mobilisation, (non Bounty related) all the rest have stayed. Perhaps its the respect that they are now getting from some of the crusty old regulars we have, many who have never seen a shot fired in anger! :wink:
 
#15
Same thing happened to me. I got called up for Veritas, extended so I could take part in Telic ... and returned to my unit to be told by the PSAO "no bounty for you my son, it's the rules you know". I was 2 days or so short having been mobilised for 8 out of the 12 months of the relevant training year.

So there you go, after all that time doing the job I'd been trained for and fitting in the odd Op I was now officially not trained to the required standard. I also lost the VRSM (or whatever it's called these days) as it apparently requires a string of unbroken efficiency certificates.

I'm still glad I extended though.
 
#16
One_of_the_strange said:
Same thing happened to me. I got called up for Veritas, extended so I could take part in Telic ... and returned to my unit to be told by the PSAO "no bounty for you my son, it's the rules you know". I was 2 days or so short having been mobilised for 8 out of the 12 months of the relevant training year.

So there you go, after all that time doing the job I'd been trained for and fitting in the odd Op I was now officially not trained to the required standard. I also lost the VRSM (or whatever it's called these days) as it apparently requires a string of unbroken efficiency certificates.

I'm still glad I extended though.
You're right that the VRSM needs continual service (ten years) but, again, there must be some way to resolve this issue. What kind of madness has it that you get your gong if you don't do regular service?

You should consider making a fuss, as the rules in this regard are a load of ... er ... tosh.

Then again, you do get a nice shiny other sort of medal. :D
 

FBW

Old-Salt
#17
can not understand how people are still being denied their bounty :?
ive done various tours in the last 5 years (6 and 9 months tours)

my unit has always give me time to do my MTDs :D

chilwell counts as your camp and all your ITDs

maybe its just my unit admin staff who are good 8)
 
#18
I suggest you point ot the following to him, if that fails write to your MP and James Gray MP

Questions for Oral or Written Answer
beginning on Monday 19 January 2004
(the 'Questions Book')

Part 1: Written Questions for Answer on
Monday 19 January 2004
Mr James Gray (North Wiltshire):To ask the Secretary of State for Defence, how compulsory mobilisation of the Territorial Army in Operation Telic affects the continuity of service calculations for the (a) Territorial Decoration and (b) other longer service awards.

Ivor Caplin MP

The TD was replaced by the VRSM in 1999...

Periods of compulsory mobilisation by TA personnel on Operation TELIC count towards the TD, the VRSM or the Long Service and Good Conduct Medal.

Thursday 22 Jan 2004 PQ Ref No 0687P
 
#20
FBW said:
chilwell counts as your camp and all your ITDs

maybe its just my unit admin staff who are good 8)
No doubt your unit admin staff are indeed better than ours. But you've missed the point. For bounty you need

(a) 15 days' camp or course in lieu; plus
(b) ITDs; plus
(c) 12 days out of camp (ie, supposedly the evening and weekend training).

This thread is about people not getting bounty because mobilisation will not, under the current rules, count as (c).
 
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