Boris - The Prime Minister

First thoughts on PMBoris, will he make a difference?


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Interesting mix of leadership for this rag...

  • Owner - Alexander Lebedev who also owns the Independent - as a KGB spy, he was based at the Russian embassy in London from 1988. He worked for the KGB's successor, the Foreign Intelligence Service, until 1992.
  • Editor in chief - none other than arch remainer, George Gideon Oliver Osborne
  • Editor - Emily Sheffield, who began her career as a graduate news trainee at the Guardian newspaper. She joined the board of Koovs, the Indian fashion website and retailer, in 2014. The firm was established by Labour Party peer Lord Alli after he left ASOS plc. Her sister Samantha is married to Chief arch remainer David Cameron. Claims to have only voted Conservative for her BiL.
Emily Sheffield - Can I Join the labour Party?
It really is a rag.

It now deliveries free copies to my block of flats.

You don’t get a column in there unless you are dripping wet, or non-white.
The fat bird from Glasgow, of Pakistani origin, who was the Labour Party apparatchik for some years, and is never off the BBC – can’t spell her name – is in there every bloody night whingeing about something.
 
The fat bird from Glasgow, of Pakistani origin, who was the Labour Party apparatchik for some years, and is never off the BBC – can’t spell her name – is in there every bloody night whingeing about something.
Actually her familly are Muslims from India. But I agree with your comments. Alledgedly she was a comedian, although she is seriously unfunny except for her views on the Labour party.
 
Boris predicting his own funeral?

'On a visit to Northern Ireland yesterday where he met Irish prime minister Micheál Martin, Boris Johnson made the extraordinary claim that there will be no border down the Irish Sea, saying if there is one it will be “over my dead body”. This is widely reported in the local media (here and here) and comes as thousands of his own civil servants are working on implementing a border down the Irish Sea and as the Port of Larne begins work on a border control post.

'A few days ago, Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove and NI minister Brandon Lewis announced spending of £355m on new IT systems and infrastructure to help businesses navigate new ‘import’ and ‘export’ procedures.

'A week ago the government published a lengthy policy paper detailing “new administrative processes for traders, notably new digital import declaration requirements, and digital safety and security information, for goods entering Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK”. These processes will be administered by UK authorities in the form of HMRC and Border Force so that, “goods destined for Ireland and the EU pay tariffs when they should.” By definition this must be a border.'


 

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Boris predicting his own funeral?

'On a visit to Northern Ireland yesterday where he met Irish prime minister Micheál Martin, Boris Johnson made the extraordinary claim that there will be no border down the Irish Sea, saying if there is one it will be “over my dead body”. This is widely reported in the local media (here and here) and comes as thousands of his own civil servants are working on implementing a border down the Irish Sea and as the Port of Larne begins work on a border control post.

'A few days ago, Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove and NI minister Brandon Lewis announced spending of £355m on new IT systems and infrastructure to help businesses navigate new ‘import’ and ‘export’ procedures.

'A week ago the government published a lengthy policy paper detailing “new administrative processes for traders, notably new digital import declaration requirements, and digital safety and security information, for goods entering Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK”. These processes will be administered by UK authorities in the form of HMRC and Border Force so that, “goods destined for Ireland and the EU pay tariffs when they should.” By definition this must be a border.'


And the Institute For Government are talking out of their arrse suggesting that firms have not prepared (having had 4 years to do just that)

What they are actually saying is that some influential groups don't really like things so there.
 
And the Institute For Government are talking out of their arrse suggesting that firms have not prepared (having had 4 years to do just that)

What they are actually saying is that some influential groups don't really like things so there.
For a layperson, is there going to be a border down the Irish Sea? BJ appears to be insisting there won’t be, or is it slight of hand and slip of tongue?
 

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For a layperson, is there going to be a border down the Irish Sea? BJ appears to be insisting there won’t be, or is it slight of hand and slip of tongue?
It depends on your definition of "border".

If you mean that there will be an arrangement for accounting for and clearing certain goods and people between the island of ireland and the UK which avoids insofar as practicable the need to do so at the land border between those two entities then of course

But if those goods are simply transiting the UK between one bit of the EU and another, and arrangements are in place (already in place internationally, see TIR and eTIR for details) then no.

Interestingly, and turning the debate completely on its head, the entity responsible under WTO rules for providing control of goods between the EU - a "trading block" and UK "the rest of the world" is in fact the EU. So why not ask them?
 
It depends on your definition of "border".

If you mean that there will be an arrangement for accounting for and clearing certain goods and people between the island of ireland and the UK which avoids insofar as practicable the need to do so at the land border between those two entities then of course

But if those goods are simply transiting the UK between one bit of the EU and another, and arrangements are in place (already in place internationally, see TIR and eTIR for details) then no.

Interestingly, and turning the debate completely on its head, the entity responsible under WTO rules for providing control of goods between the EU - a "trading block" and UK "the rest of the world" is in fact the EU. So why not ask them?
Perhaps because this border will be between two parts of the UK.
 
The complex is pretty well one entity already
Oh dear shades of "Yes Minister" as Humphrey loses his key. But I'm sure this has been done before. Wasn't It Blair who wanted control of the Cabinet office- not that the Cabinet office doesn't need to be controlled, just a matter of who by.
 

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LE
Oh dear shades of "Yes Minister" as Humphrey loses his key. But I'm sure this has been done before. Wasn't It Blair who wanted control of the Cabinet office- not that the Cabinet office doesn't need to be controlled, just a matter of who by.
You never see the pm entering 70 Whitehall (for things like COBRA). No need. You just do a few lefts and rights through the corridors of No 10 (itself essentially an office block) and there you are.
 
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But there is no border. Just as there is no border between the UK and Japan.

You'd better let the Port of Larne know then, as they seem to be wasting a lot of taxpayer's money on something they don't need.

'A few days ago, Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove and NI minister Brandon Lewis announced spending of £355m on new IT systems and infrastructure to help businesses navigate new ‘import’ and ‘export’ procedures.
 
But there is no border. Just as there is no border between the UK and Japan.

Japan isn’t part of The UK, NI is. Will NI be treated differently to other countries within The UK, when items are moved between there and the remainder of The UK?
 

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Japan isn’t part of The UK, NI is. Will NI be treated differently to other countries within The UK, when items are moved between there and the remainder of The UK?
One of the reasons I did not go for a lengthy second career in the Diplomatic service is that, frankly, I am not very diplomatic.

We should have stuck very firmly to our guns, called the clowns waffling on about the GFA clowns and dared the EU to fund and S Irish to man a hard border at the actual border.

NI is to be treated differently. Sadly in my view, but it seems to be what it took to actually achieve escape velocity from the Borg. Shame. How it progresses over time however, is up for grabs which it would never have been under the "backstop"

As for Larne, you could spend a shitload on it and it would not improve it much. But there will of course be a need to monitor and check numbers with declarations (which as others will testify already happens even with the EU).

Border schmorder.

Just part of the playlist of Projekt Fear and the Useful Idiots.
 

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