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Auld-Yin

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Whoever is running the Government, they're not doing themselves any favours with this ongoing dithering and very public debate about the wearing of face coverings. I suspect that it started out as the usual "kite-flying" of policy to try to determine public opinion, but it now just looks like muddled indecision.
Indeed it does, but these decisions are still being made in a virtual knowledge blackout. Nobody knows for certain that one courseof action is better than another and I doubt that will be known for some time after the crisis during the wash-up.

However, why are people making such a huge fuss over this? It does not need government dictat, if you feel wearing a mask helps then wear one.

For once I am with Ms Sturgeon when she says this is not an excuse to go off in one with someone not wearing a mask. Basically telling folks to get a life and let their common sense kick in.
 
Boris and his government desperately need a win, that creates a real ooomph on the right of the country. The cheapest, easiest thing would be to decriminialise the BBC licence fee, within the shortest possible timescale.
 

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Whoever is running the Government, they're not doing themselves any favours with this ongoing dithering and very public debate about the wearing of face coverings. I suspect that it started out as the usual "kite-flying" of policy to try to determine public opinion, but it now just looks like muddled indecision.
It looks like muddled indecision because thats how the media are choosing to report it. There’s nothing muddled about what the government is saying.

Reducing everything to an easy to understand soundbite is not necessarily the best outcome.
 
Whoever is running the Government, they're not doing themselves any favours with this ongoing dithering and very public debate about the wearing of face coverings. I suspect that it started out as the usual "kite-flying" of policy to try to determine public opinion, but it now just looks like muddled indecision.
What dithering?
I know exactly where we stand in England.
The sweaties seem to be the only ones that get confused easily.
Still, it must be a nice opportunity for the easily confused to have a go at Boris' government.
 
What dithering?
I know exactly where we stand in England.
The sweaties seem to be the only ones that get confused easily.
Still, it must be a nice opportunity for the easily confused to have a go at Boris' government.
If you genuinely know exactly where you stand in England, then you are doing better than the Government. You have had several different and partially contradictory statements from several of your ministers in the last few days, and the latest is that they are going to clear it all up for you in another couple of days.

World class dithering.
 
Indeed it does, but these decisions are still being made in a virtual knowledge blackout. Nobody knows for certain that one courseof action is better than another and I doubt that will be known for some time after the crisis during the wash-up.

However, why are people making such a huge fuss over this? It does not need government dictat, if you feel wearing a mask helps then wear one.

For once I am with Ms Sturgeon when she says this is not an excuse to go off in one with someone not wearing a mask. Basically telling folks to get a life and let their common sense kick in.
I don't disagree with any of that, actually, I'm just amused by the "World Class" response from Bluffer's cabinet that continually contradict each other, followed by the clarity that will be announced in a "few days".
 
If you genuinely know exactly where you stand in England, then you are doing better than the Government. You have had several different and partially contradictory statements from several of your ministers in the last few days, and the latest is that they are going to clear it all up for you in another couple of days.

World class dithering.
Peoples opinions in the cabinet are one thing.
The government instructions are another.

If you can't see the difference I'm genuinely sorry for you.
Here's a tip, the MSM tell fibs that a lot of suckers take as gospel.
 
If you genuinely know exactly where you stand in England, then you are doing better than the Government. You have had several different and partially contradictory statements from several of your ministers in the last few days, and the latest is that they are going to clear it all up for you in another couple of days.

World class dithering.
I don't disagree with any of that, actually, I'm just amused by the "World Class" response from Bluffer's cabinet that continually contradict each other, followed by the clarity that will be announced in a "few days".
How would you deal with the issue?
 

Grownup_Rafbrat

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Boris and his government desperately need a win, that creates a real ooomph on the right of the country. The cheapest, easiest thing would be to privatise the BBC and abolish the licence fee, within the shortest possible timescale.
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Themanwho

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As far as I can tell, the "world class dithering" over mask wearing is a fabrication by journalists who desperately want yet another cudgel with which to attack the government. My interpretation of the advice is that people must wear masks on public transport, and should wear masks in crowded spaces. It's not exactly a Gordian knot, even broken down old Warrant Officers such as I can decipher it.

This Government has tried very hard not to crack down on the public, preferring to encourage rather than dictate (IMHO because of their belief that we are a free country). The media aren't happy with this as they want somebody to be doing something controversial that they can then go against, hence the "Dithering" line of attack.

Of course if it becomes necessary to enforce mask wearing at a later point the media will then conduct a two pronged assault on the Govt (Left flank: too late! Right Flank: Draconian march towards a police state!), with a covering bombardment of random "evil Tories" headlines, and Deception Plan provided by BLM.
 
If you genuinely know exactly where you stand in England, then you are doing better than the Government. You have had several different and partially contradictory statements from several of your ministers in the last few days, and the latest is that they are going to clear it all up for you in another couple of days.

World class dithering.
They are your Ministers too
 
Of course if it becomes necessary to enforce mask wearing at a later point the media will then conduct a two pronged assault on the Govt (Left flank: too late! Right Flank: Draconian march towards a police state!), with a covering bombardment of random "evil Tories" headlines, and Deception Plan provided by BLM.
No doubt punctuated by interviews in the MSM with these communists telling us how wrong the government was:

 
Sunak may well be the heir apparant, but if his socialist levels of spending don't work he'll be very quickly dumped.
....perhaps the longer term analysis of Covid-19 is that a vaccine may never be found and that the contagion will continue to spread and become more intense and virulent... "Throw as much money at it as you want Sunak... in a year's time there won't be many healthy people left anyway..."
 
I'm a true blue conservative but I think the bumbling oaf needs to go ( Churchill he isn't) lets face it he was a protest vote result.
 
I'm a true blue conservative but I think the bumbling oaf needs to go ( Churchill he isn't) lets face it he was a protest vote result.
Protest at what?
Do you mean he lead the only party offering to complete Brexit after having been defeated by his treasonous party members?
Is he the same oaf that led the Tories to an 80 seat lead in the House of Clowns?
If it helps, I joined the Tories so I could vote for Boris so we didn't have any of the other buffoons running the show.
In your own time, tell us all which Tory party leader would have done the same?


ETA: You're no more a true blue Tory than Greive, Gouch, Clarke or Heseltine if you think Boris is a bad choice.
 
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Themanwho

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I'm a true blue conservative but I think the bumbling oaf needs to go ( Churchill he isn't) lets face it he was a protest vote result.
And who in your opinion would have done a better job than winning an 80 seat majority at the last election? As for comparisons to Churchill (which his detractors make so often), there's one area where he can be reliably judged as Winston's equal: the lack of support from his own party.

Edit: I find myself in full agreement with @Northern_Biff above, except for his last line. There's a wealth of back-stabbing Tories over the years that @ordinaryforces can take his cue from.
 

Truxx

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If you genuinely know exactly where you stand in England, then you are doing better than the Government. You have had several different and partially contradictory statements from several of your ministers in the last few days, and the latest is that they are going to clear it all up for you in another couple of days.

World class dithering.
Wear a mask if you want to and it makes you feel better. In my convo with my son in law at the weekend (cabinet office) the real struggle is to come up with guidance that makes as much sense in semi- deserted Cumbria as it does in Tottenham.

From a personal anecdotal perspective I followed a couple through Morrisons last week. They were both wearing masks. And gloves as it happens. At each stage of their shopping list she would reach onto the shelf pull off an item, pull down her mask and address hubby before adjusting her mask, and, more often than not, replacing the item on the shelf.

You do not have to be the chief scientific officer to surmise that particular approach as about as much use as mud flaps on a tortoise.

Out in the car park they removed gloves and masks and popped them into their pockets.
 

Truxx

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....perhaps the longer term analysis of Covid-19 is that a vaccine may never be found and that the contagion will continue to spread and become more intense and virulent... "Throw as much money at it as you want Sunak... in a year's time there won't be many healthy people left anyway..."
Again from my conversation with SOL who is now Mr Vaccine the virus is here to stay (along with a bunch of mutations) and whilst a vaccination might be available its effectiveness over time is in considerable doubt as the antibodies created are anything short term.
 

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