Boris - The Prime Minister

First thoughts on PMBoris, will he make a difference?


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Let's try to get it back on track...

Our cat (feline, furrball, owner of 4 slaves we call "family") was involved in a fight. Result: bite on the back near his spine, and an infection. Phone to the vets and an appointment later that day. Instructions were to "park in the parking lot and phone reception. We will collect said animal, treat, and return to yourself in the parking lot".

Part 1 of the instruction is met. We are notified that there will be about 45 minute wait - so far, so good. Vet comes out in full PPE - shoes covered, plastic apron, full-face visor and gloves. Collects furrball and disappears inside. Comes back 15 mintues later with (now bald-ish) furrball and some muti. I speak to her at arms' length for instructions for the medicine. She mentions that she now has to go back inside, throw all the PPE away*, clean down the room and re-kit for the next animal. 3-4 animals an hour, 8-hour day, 3 vets = 60 sets of PPE on a normal day for a small vet practice. This was about a month ago, when there were still rumours that dogs could transmit or carry COVID-19.

It's not just the NHS that have used PPE.

*Sorry - she could reuse the face mask after deep cleaning it.
 
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I consider it the price of removing Sedwill from a position where he could frustrate the will of the Government, and therefore worth it.
I’m sure that he is delighted. Lovely pay off, pension and new job, the cherry being the peerage and the daily expenses of £300.

That will have taught him.
 

Themanwho

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I’m sure that he is delighted. Lovely pay off, pension and new job, the cherry being the peerage and the daily expenses of £300.

That will have taught him.
They didn't want to teach him, they wanted rid of him. Job jobbed.
 

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I showed your posts on the matter of PPE to Mrs Yarra. She has had a good old chuckle at your 'rates of PPE usage in the NHS'.

Let us, for the moment, just set aside the wildly optimistic 'standard' rates of PPE use you set out a few posts ago and just concentrate on PPE wastage. Your naive assumption that the myriad of NHS trusts could somehow suddenly adopt, like the military, the kind of monoculture, that would allow for the conditions where PPE could be relatively adequately controlled, is quite frankly laughable.

In Mrs Yarra's local NHS Trust alone, there were whole (non ICU facing) departments chewing through PPE at an astonishing rate. These departments were weakly led and required robust direction and intervention from the snr infection control team, to grip the situation. Staff approach to PPE was that it was a PPE 'free for all' with minimal accountability. The situation was gripped, but in the initial chaotic period, the whole concept of PPE R2 was an anathema to many departmental managers, used to a culture of medical accountability, but not necessarily accounting for other seemingly more mundane items.

It is well gripped now, with more than adequate DOS, but at the time it was like herding cats (and/or Crabs).

In sum, you are that far off, I am not entirely sure you are not fishing?

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Then add in that concept (which I thoroughly detest) "It's a big company". As most don't/will not see the cost or what logistics got the items to them.
 
After Liam (the Brexit agreement should be “the easiest deal in human history”) Fox's nomination to head the WTO, the latest winner on Team BoJo is:

'Chris Grayling, the former transport and justice secretary has been nominated by Boris Johnson to head up the Information and Security Committee (ISC), a powerful body that oversees MI5, MI6 and GCHQ and is in charge of the very delayed Russia Report, promised before the election.'

Fury as Boris Johnson appoints the 'worst cabinet minister ever' to crucial national security job
 
After Liam (the Brexit agreement should be “the easiest deal in human history”) Fox's nomination to head the WTO, the latest winner on Team BoJo is:

'Chris Grayling, the former transport and justice secretary has been nominated by Boris Johnson to head up the Information and Security Committee (ISC), a powerful body that oversees MI5, MI6 and GCHQ and is in charge of the very delayed Russia Report, promised before the election.'

Fury as Boris Johnson appoints the 'worst cabinet minister ever' to crucial national security job
Fury, eh.
What with links to the indy and some old dog toffee the other day called 'businessinsider', you're really winning the link posting lark.
 
Fury, eh.
What with links to the indy and some old dog toffee the other day called 'businessinsider', you're really winning the link posting lark.
Mind you... they do have a point with ‘worst minister ever’. If not actually the worst minister ever, ‘Failing Grayling‘ must be within touching distance of that lofty achievement.
 

Oyibo

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After Liam (the Brexit agreement should be “the easiest deal in human history”) Fox's nomination to head the WTO, the latest winner on Team BoJo is:

'Chris Grayling, the former transport and justice secretary has been nominated by Boris Johnson to head up the Information and Security Committee (ISC), a powerful body that oversees MI5, MI6 and GCHQ and is in charge of the very delayed Russia Report, promised before the election.'

Fury as Boris Johnson appoints the 'worst cabinet minister ever' to crucial national security job
So a sports writer for the Guardian tweets that Chris Grayling is the 'worst cabinet minister ever' and the 'Independent' goes with that as a headline.

Who'd have thunk it.

Great incisive and in-depth journalism by the Indescribablyboring
 
After Liam (the Brexit agreement should be “the easiest deal in human history”) Fox's nomination to head the WTO, the latest winner on Team BoJo is:

'Chris Grayling, the former transport and justice secretary has been nominated by Boris Johnson to head up the Information and Security Committee (ISC), a powerful body that oversees MI5, MI6 and GCHQ and is in charge of the very delayed Russia Report, promised before the election.'

Fury as Boris Johnson appoints the 'worst cabinet minister ever' to crucial national security job
BJ’s useful idiot to do as he is told. Maybe to try and delay The Russia report’s release.
 
Thanks for the context. So this is more an issue of overuse of stocks and burning through them, than HMG getting bent over by suppliers?

I don’t work in a hospital but £15 BILLION spent on PPE in 4 months just seems crazy. I mean if I had to shred that much cash in an industrial shredder it would probably take me more time!!!!
Ok lets try another set of figures.

We had 8,979 deaths, from all causes, country wide in the week ending 26th of June.
That's an average of 1282.71 per day.
So 110*1282.71 for the period of lock down (not the figure would have been higher in previous weeks due to the increased deaths from CV19. So we're low balling it on: 141,098 deaths for the entire lockdown.

Each Death would require 1 Physician, and, lets say two mortuary assistants. Each of those would need three items of PPE. That gives us: 1,269,882 items of PPE used in just handling the dead bodies, for a quite week during the end of the first phase of the pandemic.

Now lets add in the cost of disposal of the contaminated items.
 
Fury, eh.
What with links to the indy and some old dog toffee the other day called 'businessinsider', you're really winning the link posting lark.
Yawn.

'Conservative MPs have angrily criticised Downing Street’s plan to appoint Chris Grayling as chairman of the powerful intelligence and security committee.

'The former transport secretary is expected to be nominated alongside Theresa Villiers, the former Northern Ireland secretary, and John Hayes, a former security minister, for three vacant Conservative seats on the cross-party body of nine members.'


 

Oyibo

LE
Yawn.

'Conservative MPs have angrily criticised Downing Street’s plan to appoint Chris Grayling as chairman of the powerful intelligence and security committee.

'The former transport secretary is expected to be nominated alongside Theresa Villiers, the former Northern Ireland secretary, and John Hayes, a former security minister, for three vacant Conservative seats on the cross-party body of nine members.'


The Times story from March mentions two unnamed Consevative MPs and Margaret Hodge.

Not exactly fury
 
The Times story from March mentions two unnamed Consevative MPs and Margaret Hodge.

Not exactly fury
As you cited yourself - Conservative MPs have angrily criticised Downing Street’s plan to appoint Chris Grayling as chairman of the powerful intelligence and security committee.

'Fury' is a label applied by NB, which suggest its own frustration with the poor quality of candidates available to Team BoJo.
 
As you cited yourself - Conservative MPs have angrily criticised Downing Street’s plan to appoint Chris Grayling as chairman of the powerful intelligence and security committee.

'Fury' is a label applied by NB, which suggest its own frustration with the poor quality of candidates available to Team BoJo.
"Fury" was lifted from the title line of the link you posted.

Relax, you're the fake news link post winner. There may be an opening in the Observer now that they seem to have dropped Carole Cadwaladr very quietly.

Post some tweets to support your wonderful story.
 
Ok lets try another set of figures.

We had 8,979 deaths, from all causes, country wide in the week ending 26th of June.
That's an average of 1282.71 per day.
So 110*1282.71 for the period of lock down (not the figure would have been higher in previous weeks due to the increased deaths from CV19. So we're low balling it on: 141,098 deaths for the entire lockdown.

Each Death would require 1 Physician, and, lets say two mortuary assistants. Each of those would need three items of PPE. That gives us: 1,269,882 items of PPE used in just handling the dead bodies, for a quite week during the end of the first phase of the pandemic.

Now lets add in the cost of disposal of the contaminated items.
 

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