Boris - The Prime Minister

First thoughts on PMBoris, will he make a difference?


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There are multiple problems with '30,000 unnecessary deaths' - for instance, no checks have been performed on the death certificates to verify if Covid 19 was the primary cause of death. So if someone caught Covid 19 while with a serious heart condition and only months to live because if it, the death certificate often said 'Covid 19', not 'death due to heart condition exacerbated by Covid 19'

In addition, the government appears to have listened to very poor, contradictory and ever changing scientific advice.


When the inevitable public enquiry takes place, evidence from the authors of this report (and similar evidence from other academics is going to make uncomfortable reading for the government/Sage.

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The Ditchley lecture by Michael Gove is interesting and informative. The PDF is attached to this post.
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Link to PDF source, as given by Michael Crick, is here https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/896041/Ditchley_lecture.pdf
I suspect there are multiple pairs of brown stained underpants in the CS as a result of that.

And what's also becoming apparent is BoJo is getting his Mojo back. He went into personal lock down after his near death experience with Covid 19. Now, with this and with binning the ridiculous overseas aid department, hes showing be actually going to transform things, not just talk about it.

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This is what was behind a massive and coordinated attempt in the media to force Cummings out over his ill-advised Covid 19 trip.

Cummings is big on performance measurement and payment by results. There are going to be numbers of CS getting bigger bonuses for performing well and greater numbers spending more time with their families.

Add into the mix that people assigned to projects will be with them for the full term and not rotated out of them half way through so the impact of any f-up by them will be very apparent and you can see why the CS is worried.

Particular howls have been coming because if the head of the CS can be removed for a less than stellar performance, lesser fry can be removed even easier. For a long time there has been no penalty for failure in the CS - that's about to be introduced. And a lot of CS don't like it.

Wordsmith
You're making me feel very very sad.
 
There are multiple problems with '30,000 unnecessary deaths' - for instance, no checks have been performed on the death certificates to verify if Covid 19 was the primary cause of death. So if someone caught Covid 19 while with a serious heart condition and only months to live because if it, the death certificate often said 'Covid 19', not 'death due to heart condition exacerbated by Covid 19'
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Whilst I don't disagree with the overall message in your post, the death certificate written by the doctor who actually certifies the death will have two separate sections, with the first part split into three, to record cause of death. 1a is the actual disease or condition which lead directly to the death. 1b is any disease or condition which led to 1a. 1c is any diseases or conditions which led to 1b. 2 is any disease or condition which contributed to the death but is not related to the disease or condition which actually caused it. So, a possible example might be
1a. Pneumonitis
1b. COVID-19
1c. COPD
2. Alzheimer's
 
So... our Government is as competent as possible given difficult circumstances, and would never tells fibs or censor scientific advisers who can't be trusted to support Dominic; but their Government are obviously lying, because they can't possibly have managed the situation so as to limit the total number of deaths to a quarter of ours?

Curse those Europeans, with their permeable borders and open visas, it's an unfair advantage over the English Channel and being outside Schengen Area! It's not fair that they have a Chancellor with an actual science degree!



You're not seriously suggesting that "achieve herd immunity by culling the weak and elderly" is a sane plan, are you?
Now now. Lets have the guts to speak the unspoken. After all the remainers have frequently implied that the elderly took us out of Europe. The fact that our experience that took us in also witnessed the shambles that is Europe was neither here nor there. Actually I believe our figures are fairly reflective of our population, despite the knockers. And what is going unspoken is that the Care home system is not part of the NHS, that the NHS compounded the issue in care homes by sending those who had not been diagnosed rather than using the facilties that were created in the Nightingales and that care homes fell flat on their faces. We were never in Schengen and the failure of Schengen is witnessed by the Scandal of a non working migration system where principle countries have failed those people themselves. Remember that Immigration is a Brussels issue? WHERE IS IT?
 

Yarra

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The Ditchley lecture by Michael Gove is interesting and informative. The PDF is attached to this post.
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Link to PDF source, as given by Michael Crick, is here https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/896041/Ditchley_lecture.pdf
Can you see the Dots yet?.....

Excellent content. Gove may be a bit of a Jockanese oily toad, but he, BoJo and DC are bloody bright. CV19 has been a massive distraction, but if you are willing to put the effort in to seek out the Dots, hiding in plain sight, (and many delivered direct to the door by our more erudite Arssers), you can start to see the framework of a plan that has the potential to transform the UK in a way not seen since that Lady broke the Left for the first time.

The fog is only just beginning to clear, but for those of us wanting real transformative change in the way the UK does its business, at home as well as abroad, the recent combat indicators are looking v positive. Oh, and the Roosevelt parable is genius.

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You obviously have been sniffing the test tubes in the lab.

Have you nothing to say on the subject of the thread, or you trying to derail it like every other one you jump into?
 
Makes you wonder whether these departures are bods with access to/responsibility for the CS twitter account.
 
'Fruitation'.

That is all.
You seem to have omitted 'evluation' too.
In a 'published paper' apparently.
Sorry to pull you up on that.

And now back to topic, again.
Boris as the Prime Minister may, or may not, have faults as all of us humans do.
But he doesn't have sticky fingers like this other former PM abroad and his Welsh missus.


Porridge time with the small porridge spoon.
Sarko must be bricking it now.
 
You obviously have been sniffing the test tubes in the lab.

Have you nothing to say on the subject of the thread, or you trying to derail it like every other one you jump into?

Ignoring he's clearly abnormal, is there less spam through his efforts? Do you honestly believe googling the username of every single new account on this website is a good use of time? Or writing on their profiles?

Perhaps he'd be better off using the time to work on his marriage.
 
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Is there less spam through his efforts? Do you honestly believe googling the username of every single new account on this website is a good use of time? Or writing on their profiles?

Perhaps he'd be better off using the time to work on his marriage.

The Poo Poo thread is over that way----------------------------------------------------------->

How many times do you have to be told over how many threads?
 

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So... our Government is as competent as possible given difficult circumstances, and would never tells fibs or censor scientific advisers who can't be trusted to support Dominic; but their Government are obviously lying, because they can't possibly have managed the situation so as to limit the total number of deaths to a quarter of ours?

Curse those Europeans, with their permeable borders and open visas, it's an unfair advantage over the English Channel and being outside Schengen Area! It's not fair that they have a Chancellor with an actual science degree!



You're not seriously suggesting that "achieve herd immunity by culling the weak and elderly" is a sane plan, are you?
Short of a vaccine, what are you seriously suggesting?

Lockdown is being paid for by long term economic, social and health consequences for our country which will affect far more people than COVID and for a long time to come, including the very people we will need to drive our economy in the future. We were right to lock down to give the health service time to increase resilience and to develop other mitigations (and we were right to delay lockdown so the virus could start to burn its way through the population and create a degree of herd immunity), but it's now time for at risk individuals to shield as best they can and for the rest of us to get on with it.

We can't afford any more lock down and we should not indulge those insufficiently hard boiled to face the inevitable realities attendant on a disease for which we currently have no effective cure. Like it or not, culling the weak and the elderly is what nature does best and there's no point wringing our hands about it or destroying our economy in a futile attempt to save the over-Seventies at all costs.
 
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