Boris - The Prime Minister

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That seems strange. However I will accept it. Why aren’t Ministers explaining this?

Stabbings and car accidents shown as COVID deaths, seems an easy thing for them to get across during a briefing.
If you look at the charts shown at the daily briefing you'll see that the reported covid deaths include those of anybody tested positive for covid, even if that's not what killed them, and anyone 'suspected' of having covid, even if they haven't been tested. The figures do come across as being a bit skewed and thus questionable. I think a good number of people who have died and had their death put down as a result of covid didn't die of it.

One other thing that muddies the waters is that there is seldom any separation of data between those who have die of covid in care homes from those who have died of it in the wider community. It is very difficult to compare where we are at the moment compared to where we were at the peak, when care home deaths weren't included in the daily figures. Let's be honest, a lot of people in care homes are circling the drain and it is only a matter of time before they roll a 7. They already have weakened immunity systems and if not covid then something else will help them on their way. The elderly are at the highest risk and some of the hospital deaths will have been from somebody taken there from a care home or if not from a care home then from being cared for at their or another family member's home.

I think a more useful measure would be to see how many daily hospital admissions and deaths there are grouped by age rather than setting and this would give us a better indication on the affect of the virus in the wider community.
 

Truxx

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No, the difference being that Germany has only had a 5% increase in deaths, not a >100% increase like the UK. Basically, those 8,000 Covid-19 dead Germans are the vast bulk of their excess deaths. Our 40,000 Covid-19 dead Brits are only two-thirds of our 60,000 excess deaths.


It's because the Germans handled Covid-19 competently. I know some people like to think that Britain is great at this stuff, but we aren't - face up to the fact that we were sh!t at handling it, and that's why so many Britons have died. Too late into lock down, inadequate resilience planning in care homes, insufficient PPE throughout the system.

People who admire the Prime Minister will insist that he's doing a wonderful job, British pluck, NHS heroes, avoid looking at the numbers and insist we didn't do that badly, and then claim we "followed the science" and that it was the Civil Service who failed, or selfish individuals who broke lockdown, and anyway it's only old folk dying, and they'd be popping their clogs soon regardless of a pandemic.

People who despise the Prime Minister will insist it's all his fault for being lazy and incompetent. That he was taking holidays during the period where key decisions should have been made, apparently to write a contractually-required book (and avoid having to pay back the advance) and to sort out his divorce; and that he appointed loyal muppets to Cabinet rather than competent leaders. That he dithered for over a week when everyone could see a lockdown was necessary, and was pompously insisting that he was going to carry on shaking hands and not wearing a mask (strangely, he caught the virus in the following week).

I'll go for somewhere in the middle. Yes, I think he's lazy and incompetent - but also that the care home resilience plans were utterly inadequate, and that this explains a lot of UK deaths. I also think he's carrying the can for a decade of Conservative "efficiency savings" that have cut public laboratories and staff to the point where there just isn't any surge capacity for testing and tracing.

I also think that the Conservative Government failed in its duty of pandemic planning (number one on the National Risk Register), because Brexit. Exercise CYGNUS and its "Lessons Learned" were met with a swift trip to File 13, because "not as important". I mean, it's not as if they can blame anyone but themselves - they've been in power since 2010.
Once upon a time I was sitting in on an ARRC G5 meeting during some big multinational CPX or somesuch.

The planning minions had come up with an idea that, whilst one british division was in contact a second
bitish division should pass through its AOR and protect a flank. When put to the Chief G5 the colour drained from his face. "You must be kidding" he said (actually what he said contained quite a lot more Anglo Saxon but that was the jist of it)

The heroic British SO2 who was championing such an idea was undeterred "But the Germans did exactly that in such and such" he said, referencing some event or other in WW2 that meant nothing to me at the time and I cannot remember now.

"Ah yes" said the Chief "but they were German divisions"

Which brings us to proper comparisons which will go a long way to explaining the key difference between our numbers and German numbers.

Tell a German to stay indoors and he/she will stay indoors

Tell a Brit to stay indoors and he will drive in the thousands to the lakes and strip supermarkets of bog roll.

Oh and on preparation and planning you have read all the very detailed stuff on the .gov website haven't you? Pay due regard to its date of publication.
 
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But you see as an Army Brat who grew up in early fifties Germany- partially in MQs before being shipped out to NA and returning to Wilsonite Britiain- to be denied an education promised me by the system- to join the army only to be rejected, I never hated the privileged. An accident of Birth is just that, it's just that some accidents are bound to happen throughout the spectrum. My parents didn't detest the upper classes, they despised what the US would have called the carpet baggers, the leeches in that society. But even leeches have a place in life. It's no good hating what you can't control. I found a niche and being proud of what I did achieve- I can't ask for more. That is essentially why I could never vote Labour. I know my criminal, I know I can trust them to be criminal-which is rather different to trusting snake oil salesmen in the vain hope that they will better my life.
This turned out to be proven in that I've done better under the conservatives than at any time under Socialists.
Being an army brat who was dragged through Aden, Cyprus, Germany, Malaya & Singapore didn't give me a chip on my shoulder, nor did the Conservative council in Worcester (where I was born) who refused my parents a council house because he didn't have a tie to the area (despite living there before rejoining, his Mum & Dad living there as most of his brothers & sisters did too).

I got my dislike of toffs and the priviledged in Labours Burnley where my Dad was able to secure a Council House, going to a Catholic school where those with money were obvious, which school and area you went to before Secondary school counted and how you progressed through the remains of the grammer school system depended on who your parents knew. It taught me how to stand up for myself (whilst putting those priviledged bum wipes who tried to Lord it over me on their backsides, the Heads glass book case on the floor in bits and the Dep Head being told to do one when he asked if he could cane me for beating up another pupil out of school and putting him in hospital, despite me waiting to go to Court for it).

The chip on my shoulder grew into a chip shop when I got to Poperhinge Bks Arborfield when our Plt was told we'd be waiting on at the Sgts Mess Regt Dinner. I refused saying I wasn't anyones slave and would not be doing it. I was offered the job of pan wash instead, which I was happy to do as it stopped another recruit getting the sh1tty job.

Being mistreated throughout my early career was what drove me towards becoming a Tiffy so I could get to a rank that was able to stop others going through what I had endured, I was relatively successful at that although it seemed the higher you got the less you were able to do.

My political affilations changed after Blairs first term, I'd enthusiastically voted for him when he won his first election as I was a Labour voter but the further he got through his first term the more my eyes were opened, leading me to vote conservative up until I came to Scotland in 2005 where I voted SNP (going through the same eye opening phase once they got in). My vote now is a protest vote and goes for the Conservatives.

I'm comfortably off having saved instead of living the life throughout my career, which gave me the opportunity to pay off my mortgage very early and, until recently, was a bit of a politics and current affairs watcher but no longer, the current Left Wing activities in the UK and USA along with their affiliates in the BBC and wider Worldwide media have killed my interest and I seem to have transferred my dislike from the Toffs to the Left Leaning Media pr1cks and the luvvies that seem to fund and support them. My shoulder based chip shop is still going strong it seems, it's just the clientel that's changed :)
 
Being an army brat who was dragged through Aden, Cyprus, Germany, Malaya & Singapore didn't give me a chip on my shoulder, nor did the Conservative council in Worcester (where I was born) who refused my parents a council house because he didn't have a tie to the area (despite living there before rejoining, his Mum & Dad living there as most of his brothers & sisters did too).

I got my dislike of toffs and the priviledged in Labours Burnley where my Dad was able to secure a Council House, going to a Catholic school where those with money were obvious, which school and area you went to before Secondary school counted and how you progressed through the remains of the grammer school system depended on who your parents knew. It taught me how to stand up for myself (whilst putting those priviledged bum wipes who tried to Lord it over me on their backsides, the Heads glass book case on the floor in bits and the Dep Head being told to do one when he asked if he could cane me for beating up another pupil out of school and putting him in hospital, despite me waiting to go to Court for it).

The chip on my shoulder grew into a chip shop when I got to Poperhinge Bks Arborfield when our Plt was told we'd be waiting on at the Sgts Mess Regt Dinner. I refused saying I wasn't anyones slave and would not be doing it. I was offered the job of pan wash instead, which I was happy to do as it stopped another recruit getting the sh1tty job.

Being mistreated throughout my early career was what drove me towards becoming a Tiffy so I could get to a rank that was able to stop others going through what I had endured, I was relatively successful at that although it seemed the higher you got the less you were able to do.

My political affilations changed after Blairs first term, I'd enthusiastically voted for him when he won his first election as I was a Labour voter but the further he got through his first term the more my eyes were opened, leading me to vote conservative up until I came to Scotland in 2005 where I voted SNP (going through the same eye opening phase once they got in). My vote now is a protest vote and goes for the Conservatives.

I'm comfortably off having saved instead of living the life throughout my career, which gave me the opportunity to pay off my mortgage very early and, until recently, was a bit of a politics and current affairs watcher but no longer, the current Left Wing activities in the UK and USA along with their affiliates in the BBC and wider Worldwide media have killed my interest and I seem to have transferred my dislike from the Toffs to the Left Leaning Media pr1cks and the luvvies that seem to fund and support them. My shoulder based chip shop is still going strong it seems, it's just the clientel that's changed :)
Commiserations, my experience in the Sgts mess was akin to “waiter there’s a fly in my soup.“ But the privileges of rank go without saying. The other day Attenborough admitted that he would never have had the qualifications to succeed today. It’s quite true, but he had the contacts when it mattered. Most of us didn’t so we’re not all Attenboroughs. In terms of Blair I had a similar experience with a colleague of mine.

we were in Brussels overnight and the results came through. She was ecstatic . A few years later she apologised to me for gloating. :)
 
Yes! And I have given an example earlier. Anyone who died and has the cv-19 virus in their blood is counted as a Covid death.

The true statement is "number of people who died carrying the CV-19 virus" rather than number of people who died of CV-19.

I also contend this is not explored by the media as the last thing they want to see is a drastic reduction in numbers thus reducing the effect of the "gasp, horror" stories they have and are running.
Piers Morgan would be utterly devastated.
 

Rod924

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Which brings us to proper comparisons which will go a long way to explaining the key difference between our numbers and German numbers.

Tell a German to stay indoors and he/she will stay indoors

Tell a Brit to stay indoors and he will drive in the thousands to the lakes and strip supermarkets of bog roll.

Oh and on preparation and planning you have read all the very detailed stuff on the .gov website haven't you? Pay due regard to its date of publication.
And Conscription/Social Service, cementing a sense of duty. I believe not uncommon in other European countries.
 

UncivilServant

Old-Salt
Detail? Can't t really be bothered, very much like all the other posters bunging gratuitous disagrees and dumbs around the place without further comment.

As for the definition of ad hom, I think I know what it means, but then I was pretty certain what 'stay home' meant. Turns out I was about 250 miles out there, so who knows?

Just off to test my eyesight on the A303.
Nip into the shop and get fatty Blackford a deep fried mars bar will you?
 
In terms of UK's handling of the Covid matter, straight from the Horses mouth as it were, I have been in contact with my cousin who lives near Hanover. His response made me laugh and I can imagine it being delivered deadpan. He tells me that in the spirit of inclusion the End of Ramadan was celebrated by a sugar party. The upshot was a surge in Covid cases about 100 which tells me that all the figures we have may not be correct. Because you don't contract covid in a day.

Let us suppose that the ethnic minorities are not playing by the book and these preparations take weeks, with the nachbaren, who in any event will have a greater density per household and have been infecting each other, but not reporting the facts. Is this happening here? Given the propensity to keep things in house it is at least circumstantial evidence that the figures posted in Germany may be a tad low.
 

Themanwho

LE
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More good news!

Labours problem is they need either a huge problem that the Conservatives make a total hash of (which they haven't) or someone close to the Party doing something Labour can get it's teeth into. The Cummings thing meets neither of those criteria so they have been left floundering on the shore of politics gasping for oxygen to feed on.
 
Labours problem is they need either a huge problem that the Conservatives make a total hash of (which they haven't) or someone close to the Party doing something Labour can get it's teeth into. The Cummings thing meets neither of those criteria so they have been left floundering on the shore of politics gasping for oxygen to feed on.
I'm sure we can look forward to the hordes of pasty-faced lefties grovelling on their knees for the latest cringe-du-jour. And the concomitant nazifying of anyone perceived to be off-message or - gasp - defying their demands for whiteys to demonstrate their subservience.

Who, one wonders, is going to be the first to abase themselves in the commons?
 

Helm

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I'm sure we can look forward to the hordes of pasty-faced lefties grovelling on their knees for the latest cringe-du-jour. And the concomitant nazifying of anyone perceived to be off-message or - gasp - defying their demands for whiteys to demonstrate their subservience.

Who, one wonders, is going to be the first to abase themselves in the commons?
Already done, first up to bat was KS whining Boris hadn't declared war on America over it, followed by his cohorts virtue signalling like meth addicted Aldiss lamps, no matter how tenuous or indeed for one or two none existent a link to the question they were trying to ask.
 
Already done, first up to bat was KS whining Boris hadn't declared war on America over it, followed by his cohorts virtue signalling like meth addicted Aldiss lamps, no matter how tenuous or indeed for one or two none existent a link to the question they were trying to ask.
I suspect that's merely the hors d'oeuvres.
 
I'm sure we can look forward to the hordes of pasty-faced lefties grovelling on their knees for the latest cringe-du-jour. And the concomitant nazifying of anyone perceived to be off-message or - gasp - defying their demands for whiteys to demonstrate their subservience.

Who, one wonders, is going to be the first to abase themselves in the commons?
Just read in the Times, that young (non-white) female tennis players are calling out their seniors – Djokovic, Federer, and Nadal – for not being more vociferous on the whole bloody nonsense.
The nerve of them…
 

Chimp

ADC
If you are bored ask Alexa (other virtual assistants are available): ”Alexa say Boris Johnson is 100 in Welsh.”
 

BuggerAll

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If you are bored ask Alexa (other virtual assistants are available): ”Alexa say Boris Johnson is 100 in Welsh.”
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Themanwho

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Labours problem is they need either a huge problem that the Conservatives make a total hash of (which they haven't) or someone close to the Party doing something Labour can get it's teeth into. The Cummings thing meets neither of those criteria so they have been left floundering on the shore of politics gasping for oxygen to feed on.
Not according to my champagne socialist sister and her millionaire husband. She's a senior NHS exec, and at a socially distanced family meet up this weekend she harangued me for being a Tory supporting Brexiteer who is personally responsible for 40,000 deaths thanks to voting Boris in (I haven't told her I'm now actually a member of the Conservative Party - saving that for Christmas :p). The funny thing was she couldn't find a single thing the government has done right over the course of the pandemic - the lockdown, the furlough package, following the science... all crap and designed to fcuk over "the poor".

As she was pissed and I was driving, I didn't engage, instead turning to speak with my Dad.
 
Not according to my champagne socialist sister and her millionaire husband. She's a senior NHS exec, and at a socially distanced family meet up this weekend she harangued me for being a Tory supporting Brexiteer who is personally responsible for 40,000 deaths thanks to voting Boris in (I haven't told her I'm now actually a member of the Conservative Party - saving that for Christmas :p). The funny thing was she couldn't find a single thing the government has done right over the course of the pandemic - the lockdown, the furlough package, following the science... all crap and designed to fcuk over "the poor".

As she was pissed and I was driving, I didn't engage, instead turning to speak with my Dad.
A good lesson in just how mentally challenged socialists can be. I'm beginning to wonder if socialism should be classed as an illegal cult for completely brain washing our mentally vulnerable, including some of our potentially brightest.
 
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