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Where does it say they have to comply with your vague and inaccurate application of the guidelines?
The court of public opinion. This country hates double standards and don’t underestimate the element of spite in seeing Cummings humiliated.

The strata of society who have played the game and missed out will see this as a big deal when reading their papers tomorrow.
 

Joker62

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Have you been busy calling your muckers asking for the video from the cameras and mobile phone records.

Why would police resources be wasted on checking a citizen's mobile phone and APNR records? You would be the first complaining about misusing police and court time and resources as I presume a warrant would be needed, if this was for someone other than a Tory.
Oh c'mon, journos will have a tame copper to do this for them. Who needs a warrant when a few bob in a brown envelope will suffice?
 
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How do you know the child was not at risk? Or are you just posting another opinion about which you have no knowledge?
How was it at any more risk than the thousands of other children in exactly the same situation with a well father?
 

Auld-Yin

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How was it at any more risk than the thousands of other children in exactly the same situation with a well father?
How on earth can you possibly know the circumstances in that household? Have you been spying (the word is voyeur).
 

Truxx

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How was it at any more risk than the thousands of other children in exactly the same situation with a well father?
And how do you know how those families responded? Like I sa, some of us have been out and about a bit (all within the guidelines) and you would be kidding yourself if you thought that the public were any better than 60% compliant.

ETA beaten to the punch
 

Auld-Yin

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The one really good thing about Wets is he has, almost single handedly, shut up Gracs, Lobster and a few other crackpots. ;)
 

Joker62

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The one really good thing about Wets is he has, almost single handedly, shut up Gracs, Lobster and a few other crackpots. ;)
They can't get a word in edgewise!
 

rampant

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Now that's a scoop "...the police were telling the truth and the government chose to lie about it..."

Care to back that up?
Original statement the police was from yesterday's Guardian and Mirror, say they spoke to the properties owner, who confirmed presence.


Repeated below in Bienkov's Tweet


Official Response from D.St this morning ( A denial that the police did any such thing)


Durham Police reaffirm that they did indeed speak to the family, this time explicitly naming them


 

Oyibo

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How was it at any more risk than the thousands of other children in exactly the same situation with a well father?
With respect @wetsmonkey - and I mean that in the truest sense rather than the barrack room lawyer sense - you're flogging a dead horse which the media has run into the ground.
 
How on earth can you possibly know the circumstances in that household? Have you been spying (the word is voyeur).
He himself has outlined the circumstances. Mother was symptomatic, but able to travel 260 miles in a car, with or without a stop and he was non symptomatic and able to drive 260 miles with the child. The child then needed no care outside the parents and all the help they had was shopping outside the house.

With an alleged bluebell ramble chucked in. He again allegedly returned to London on 14/04 and was seen back up there on 19/04.

The only claim of vulnerability on behalf of the child, was that Cummings MIGHT get ill.
 
And how do you know how those families responded? Like I sa, some of us have been out and about a bit (all within the guidelines) and you would be kidding yourself if you thought that the public were any better than 60% compliant.

ETA beaten to the punch
I don’t need a lecture on compliance with Covid Legislation, funnily enough. But thanks.

That’s just whataboutery and not by the government’s most senior advisor.
 

Oyibo

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Original statement the police was from yesterday's Guardian and Mirror, say they spoke to the properties owner, who confirmed presence.


Repeated below in Bienkov's Tweet


Official Response from D.St this morning ( A denial that the police did any such thing)


Durham Police reaffirm that they did indeed speak to the family, this time explicitly naming them


So tell us all how "... the Government chose to lie about it...". This is very important if true, and your insight would be appreciated more than a few Tweets and two allegations made to the Grauniad and the Mirror
 

Helm

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The court of public opinion. This country hates double standards and don’t underestimate the element of spite in seeing Cummings humiliated.

The strata of society who have played the game and missed out will see this as a big deal when reading their papers tomorrow.
The court of public opinion, and that uses what legal framework exactly? I'll just file this one at this point as you clearly can't defend yourself.
 

Auld-Yin

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He himself has outlined the circumstances. Mother was symptomatic, but able to travel 260 miles in a car, with or without a stop and he was non symptomatic and able to drive 260 miles with the child. The child then needed no care outside the parents and all the help they had was shopping outside the house.

With an alleged bluebell ramble chucked in. He again allegedly returned to London on 14/04 and was seen back up there on 19/04.

The only claim of vulnerability on behalf of the child, was that Cummings MIGHT get ill.
And your medical degree gives you the knowledge, that DC does/did notvhave, to know that his and his wife's illness will not worsen?
 

rampant

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So tell us all how "... the Government chose to lie about it...". This is very important if true, and your insight would be appreciated more than a few Tweets and two allegations made to the Grauniad and the Mirror
Downing St. Which is the Official home and Office place of the Prime Minister, the leader of the Government. When a statement is made by Downing St. It is a statement made by the Government

"10 Downing Street is the official residence and the office of the British Prime Minister. The office helps the Prime Minister to establish and deliver the government’s overall strategy and policy priorities, and to communicate the government’s policies to Parliament, the public and international audiences."

From this page

 

Oyibo

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Downing St. Which is the Official home and Office place of the Prime Minister, the leader of the Government. When a statement is made by Downing St. It is a statement made by the Government

"10 Downing Street is the official residence and the office of the British Prime Minister. The office helps the Prime Minister to establish and deliver the government’s overall strategy and policy priorities, and to communicate the government’s policies to Parliament, the public and international audiences."

From this page

Yes, yes. But tell us how you know that "... the Government chose to lie about it..."

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The court of public opinion, and that uses what legal framework exactly? I'll just file this one at this point as you clearly can't defend yourself.
Its where graduates from the school of hard knocks and the university of life find successful careers.
 

rampant

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Yes, yes. But tell us how you know that "... the Government chose to lie about it..."
That they did not know that police had spoken to Cummings' family. The story broke yesterday, so they had time to prepare a response. Now when a story like this breaks you need to have your story set out, they would gave spoken to Cummings and got his version, they know the questions to ask him. The police statement is in the story.

So either Cummings lied to D.St and told them there had been no contact from the police, or he did and they chose to deny it. It is a very easy thing to check, they just call the coppers.

So either they chose to lie that the police had not been in contact with the Cummings family during the incident

Or Cummings did not tell them the truth about the incident and lied to Johnson & Co about his family receiving a visit from the police about his convalescence. And they took him at face value and ended up with shut all over their faces.

Now given the decidedly fraught relationshiop this Govt has had with truth, and quite frankly Johnson had before being PM. I would say the former.

If the latter then it shows that the government singularly failed to do due diligence on what they should have was a major story.
 
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