Boris - The Prime Minister

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I've been watching the Victoria Derbyshire news (yes, I know...). They've just had 29 minutes of "Bori in hospital". THis has included two excerpts, exactly the same, of Tru,mp wishing him well. There have been for (or now, five) experts saing that Dom Raab is de facto leader of the Conservatives, and Ms Derbyshire has just asked if Raab is the best person for the job. Not as a person, but as the First Secretary of State.
To be fair, this is quite a story. Firstly the acute condition of the Prime minister in the midst of a crisis and secondly the issue of succession, which is anything but constitutionally clear on the UK. Both valid issues for the national (not the state) broadcaster to address.
 

Truxx

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I echo @Auld-Yin s Comment. I am impressed with Raab and they clearly have a comptent gang at HQ. Even so, my experience is that even amongst those who individually have massive talent,in order to get the very best out of the collective an individual leader is needed just to add the clarity and direction that might be needed.

Just as an orchestra needs a conductor, and a gaggle of even top flight "them" need someone just to say rightho, I get where you are coming from but this is how it's going to be, then the government and the rest of us, need (a) boris back in the game soonest.
 

StBob072

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You know, I always felt that with a name like Bonar Law, he would've had a great career in the porn industry.
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"Bona Law" was referenced by Julian and Sandy - "We have a criminal practice which takes up most of our time". ;-)
 
Here you go, written for the 5 year old readers no doubt
"Patients on ICU will be connected to lots of different machines, via tubes, wires and cables, to monitor how their body is coping." I would say that is waffle, wouldn't you?
How many of the general public have been in an ICU? Almost none. Generally they don't take visitors. The BBC coincidentally released footage yesterday of UCL Hospital ICU. It was like a R3 after a multiple casualty incident.
 

Auld-Yin

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Derbyshire is way out of her depth. I don't know why but she was the blue eyed gal for the BBC getting her own programme. From what I have seen of her show it has gone from a serious morning news analysis with 'magazine' type articles to a soppy show dealing with "womens' issues". Downhill rather than becoming a respected show. I don't think her intellect is large enough to carry a serious news analysis show.

This Covid-19 crisis has been a god-send for her as her show was being axed, now she is on at an important time of day during a national and international crisis. IMO, she and her producers are incapable of rising to the occasion.
 

Grownup_Rafbrat

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I have to disagree - again. The BBC had not been dramatic, it has done a huge amount to debunk fake news and rumours. Its reporting is unemotional and factual - I honestly can't see how the BBC is ‘hell bent on creating unrest and uncertainty.' And why would they?

Give some examples of 'the nonsense and waffle' relating to CV19 that the BBC is broadcastinng.
Now I know you are taking the p1ss.
 

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How many of the general public have been in an ICU? Almost none. Generally they don't take visitors. The BBC coincidentally released footage yesterday of UCL Hospital ICU. It was like a R3 after a multiple casualty incident.
You didn't realise that in an ICU "Patients on ICU will be connected to lots of different machines, via tubes, wires and cables, to monitor how their body is coping. " That would explain why you think it isn't waffle. Normal people would know this without having been in one.
 
unh hunh.

Their web page has this little gem:


Stunning headline, that: CoV19 is ripping through the heart of Black America.

Oh, the humanity.

However, follow through to the end . . .

'Mayor Lori Lightfoot said the coronavirus was "devastating black Chicago".

She said city inspectors would be sent into shops to ensure everyone was adhering to social distancing guidelines.

Mayor Lightfoot also raised the possibility of curfews in areas where people gathered outside liquor stores . . .'

So:

1. The piece refers to one US city. Not as a national theme.

2. A casual reader might infer that the good Mayor is aware that citizens of this demographic are probably more prone to ignore current advice with regard to expected social bahaviour.

3. Mayor Lightfoot is black thus making it difficult to haul racism directly (though it's inferred) into the argument.
FFS - that's it?
 

Auld-Yin

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And widely reported elsewhere. The sad fact is that this pandemic, as with almost all others, disproportionately affects poor (which generally equates to ethnic) communities.

Are you say that the BBC shouldn't report this - and report the comments made by leading figures?
It is not so much what is reported but how. When giving the figures do the BBC note that the poorer areas are more affected? That would take away the sensationalism that the BBC likes in its reporting these days.
 
For a start, I’d like to see a bit more emphasis on the positives, such as how many people have actually had the virus, have recovered and are back in work, rather than the constant ‘Breaking News’ banner reporting yet more death across the country. I would also like to see an in depth report on what “underlying health issues” actually means, as it would appear that most of the victims have passed away with those underlying issues, as well as Covid 19.
A bit more of the positive (and I don’t mean the schmaltz and constantly showing ‘look at me’ YouTube videos) rather than the constant doom mongering would be beneficial to us all. I’m not just having a go at the BBC by the way, they are all at it; that’s why I very rarely switch the TV on for News these days.
Pravda does lots of positive news. Is that what you want?
 

Auld-Yin

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You didn't realise that in an ICU "Patients on ICU will be connected to lots of different machines, via tubes, wires and cables, to monitor how their body is coping. " That would explain why you think it isn't waffle. Normal people would know this without having been in one.
Did you know that tanks are big and green?
 
Well what would you expect. Prime Minister seriously ill. please come and take advantage?
I expect honesty and a candid appraisal of the situation, not half-truths and obfuscation.

I would expect minimal information to be given directly to the public from the clinicians who are looking after the PM; they have a duty of care to their patient, not the public and their priority is to keep family members informed and relevant key government personnel.

The government on the other hand has a duty to the country first and foremost, and I would suggest being economical with the truth is unhelpful and counter-productive, as evidenced by the daily Covid-19 press briefings.

I think it was Alok Sharma, the Business Secretary, who a few days ago conducted the daily briefing as if it were a political interview and simply ignored and refused to answer any questions he didn’t like.

Not surprisingly the following day’s headlines in all the press and media were very, very critical of that approach and the briefings since have been notable for providing wherever possible full and complete answers to all questions, with follow-up questions also being answered.

It’s quite refreshing (as well as important) to have a press conference that is actually informative, rather than the far to frequent soundbites, spin and bullshit.

Considering we’re not at war, I’m interested in who you think is disadvantaged by keeping the public in the dark about the health/condition of the PM.
 

StBob072

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You didn't realise that in an ICU "Patients on ICU will be connected to lots of different machines, via tubes, wires and cables, to monitor how their body is coping. " That would explain why you think it isn't waffle. Normal people would know this without having been in one.
I learned a lot about St Thomas's ICU when my brother in law was taken there a few years ago, particularly about the specialist life support therapy which saved his life when he was suffering from pneumonia!

Unfortunately I can't remember the scientific details (perhaps @mercurydancer could enlighten us?) but I'm pretty certain if anyone can help the PM to get well, it's Tommy's!
 

Tool

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To be fair, this is quite a story. Firstly the acute condition of the Prime minister in the midst of a crisis and secondly the issue of succession, which is anything but constitutionally clear on the UK. Both valid issues for the national (not the state) broadcaster to address.
Read what I said. Five times in 30 minutes she had clairification of the fact that the First Secretary of State was de facto the PM in all but name in the interum. She then asked if the First Secretary of State was the best person for the job, in spite of being told that this is what the "constitution" has decreed is the best option.
As to @Auld-Yin - she had cancer, dontchaknow? She's even more untouchable than Marr at the moment.
 

Grownup_Rafbrat

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I expect honesty and a candid appraisal of the situation, not half-truths and obfuscation.

I would expect minimal information to be given directly to the public from the clinicians who are looking after the PM; they have a duty of care to their patient, not the public and their priority is to keep family members informed and relevant key government personnel.

The government on the other hand has a duty to the country first and foremost, and I would suggest being economical with the truth is unhelpful and counter-productive, as evidenced by the daily Covid-19 press briefings.

I think it was Alok Sharma, the Business Secretary, who a few days ago conducted the daily briefing as if it were a political interview and simply ignored and refused to answer any questions he didn’t like.

Not surprisingly the following day’s headlines in all the press and media were very, very critical of that approach and the briefings since have been notable for providing wherever possible full and complete answers to all questions, with follow-up questions also being answered.

It’s quite refreshing (as well as important) to have a press conference that is actually informative, rather than the far to frequent soundbites, spin and bullshit.

Considering we’re not at war, I’m interested in who you think is disadvantaged by keeping the public in the dark about the health/condition of the PM.
I agree entirely with what you say, but can't help wondering why three different journalists think that repeating the question is going to get a different answer the third time from the one given first.

And whether a truly honest answer would be merely reported or used to create giant apocalyptic headlines by those who rather enjoy thinking they control the narrative, rather than report it.
 

Grownup_Rafbrat

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