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Truxx

LE
The same military that lost 37 in Snatch Landrovers despite warnings that they were entirely inappropriate even as they were arriving in Iraq? That three years later was still claiming they were appropriate for patrolling in dense urban environments?

There are no politicians with experience of leading a country through a pandemic. There are no civil servants with experience of building emergency infrastructure from scratch. There are no health workers with experience of running health through a pandemic.

And, on the subject if hardship payments, there are no Treasury staff with experience of dispensing huge sums of money to a huge, entitled. population.

If they get half their decisions half right, they’re doing well.
I was obliged, once upon a time, to cadge a lift out of Iraq on a casevac flight

Two of the casualties, one Cpl and one Capt, were, while we were waiting for the connecting flight, arguing over snatch vs warrior.

The cpl was championing SNATCH, the officer warrior. It was a really interesting debate, and each gave a very good first hand account of why their preference was best. In the end, I think the Cpl had the most convincing case

So I am less persuaded that the anti-SNATCH lobby,armed with the glorious benefit of hindsight, necessarily had it right.
 

wheel

LE
You miss my point, although your last para is worthy of further consideration

It is all very well having leadership and making decisions, but beneath that you need unity of purpose and leadership at all levels. Mission command if you will. I am 100% impressed by the decisions ands leadership at the strategic level, below that though, the story is less impressive.

As it is we have armies of "doers" who are nothing of the sort, and will not lift a finger till someone higher gives them detailed functional direction. And no muthafcuking virus is going to change that anytime soon

Anyone who has worked with the US army and tried to get a decision or direction from anyone lower then a full bird colonel will know exactly what I mean.

As for contingency planning I thought that we were all into business continuity these days? Yet the poor council lass I was chatting to at length yesterday (she was working from home) could not even log onto the council supplied laptop.
Did you bother to find out if all the other other staff had managed to log in ?. No thought not .
 

Grownup_Rafbrat

LE
Book Reviewer
All struggling invited to sign up for an improved universal credit, set at, say minimum wage for a 36 hour week (an early treasury staff proposal according to No1 daughter). No new systems required.

As it happens it is exactly what many are now doing, albeit the monthly payment is less than 400 quid
Define struggling.

I am struggling to buy an Aston Martin, holiday in St. Barts and diamond tiaras. I still only have a 22 inch television and no iPad or nike trainers.
 

Truxx

LE
Define struggling.

I am struggling to buy an Aston Martin, holiday in St. Barts and diamond tiaras. I still only have a 22 inch television and no iPad or nike trainers.
Clealy there are people who the Government thinks are worthy of helping, after all there are now a raft of support measures being worked through. So the government at least must think that certain things merit investment.

Enabling that support effort though, is a whole new series of industries, none of which have been thought through and all of which appear to need new processes and structures.

It seems to me (and it seemed to the treasury at the end of feb) that utilising a pre-existing process and system, albeit on a much larger scale, might be an approach worth taking.

As an aside I had a play in an Aston yesterday. Plus I nearly reversed a truck into the side of it......

ETA on your "define struggling" question, I think that as part of the process those seeking help should be obliged to justify why they fall into the "struggling" category.

As it is lots of money is getting squirted at those who do not necessarily need it.

What money that is provided should simply be enough to manage whatever the struggle is.
 
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I was obliged, once upon a time, to cadge a lift out of Iraq on a casevac flight

Two of the casualties, one Cpl and one Capt, were, while we were waiting for the connecting flight, arguing over snatch vs warrior.

The cpl was championing SNATCH, the officer warrior. It was a really interesting debate, and each gave a very good first hand account of why their preference was best. In the end, I think the Cpl had the most convincing case

So I am less persuaded that the anti-SNATCH lobby,armed with the glorious benefit of hindsight, necessarily had it right.
I really do not want to divert this into a debate about Snatch. I simply used it as a metaphor for the difficult decisions that leaders have to make. Your dit rather confirms my view; those making the big decisions in volatile situations will always have to make decisions based on highly conflicting advice. If they get half of them them half right they’re doing well.....

It’s easy to criticise with the benefit of hindsight. Right now, criticism of the Government isn’t based on hindsight; its just contradictory opinion.
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

LE
Book Reviewer
That’s not what I said. Don’t try and twist things.
You seem strangely reluctant to talk about what you did say which, for the record, was:

"When business starts bringing big bucks in after all this finishes, like they were before, it’s totally reasonable that they pay something back into the pot to help re establish fiscal normality."

Nothing in there qualifying the statement to apply solely to companies which accepted Government assistance.

Now, you were going to tell me about supply chains and their importance to a thriving economy...
 
The current situation is that small business support was promised in the budget to be administered by local authorities. Local authorities not only (as at yesterday) don't know quite who should be getting it and neither have they received any funds.

My point is that there is lots of applause for these various support packages but the reality on the ground looks a bit different.

Still. Early days.
Indeed, but they had to start somewhere. One of the reasons, as I read it, that councils have become involved, is because the banks are playing silly buggers again, just as they did in '08 of which I have personal experience and am just getting to the end of. Moreover the FCA is doing nothing to mitigate their behaviour-Sorry @Banker this is not aimed at you but the institutions themselves, not the people forced into policy decisions. The generality will always look a bit different. But I say again, If you have a pension the state will not bail you out unless your in the area of pension credits. It's not as if the banks will not get their money back in the short term but the profit lies in assets not in repayments
 
Yet the poor council lass I was chatting to at length yesterday (she was working from home) could not even log onto the council supplied laptop.
There should be no problem doing that. Even when I was working the last 5 or six years were heavily mobile and we effectively worked out of rucksacks. Now If HMRC and the HO could get that right then- even if problematic due to different databases they should be able to now. That said even now internet can be an issue in some areas.
 
Daughter is writing direct to the (lady) Bishop ……….
Who will claim that their hands are tied because they only deal with faith and not the grubby money making side.
 

StormsInAfrica

Old-Salt
Nail - head. The primary reason Corbyn failed as Labour leader is his failure (nay wilful refusal) to make the necessary transition from rebel backbencher to statesman.

I don't doubt he is doubly frustrated because under his leadership, COVID-19 would have provided the once-in-a-century opportunity to use enabling acts as a vehicle to force through hard-line socialist solutions....
Spot on.
 
Define struggling.

I am struggling to buy an Aston Martin, holiday in St. Barts and diamond tiaras. I still only have a 22 inch television and no iPad or nike trainers.
As I sit here in my st Bart's apartment watching my 22 inch telly while wearing my tiara after driving here in my aston martin i am pondering how to overcome my struggle to get an Ipad and a pair of nikes.
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

LE
Book Reviewer
That’s not in dispute, I have recently though given him the benefit of the doubt on numerous occasions as he appears to have changed and become less buffoonish, gaffe prone and started acting in a more Prime Ministerial manner. Very welcome and I hope he recovers soon.

However in this instance that’s most definitely not the case, my posts on the matter are there to be read. Maybe your inability to distinguish that is something you need to address.

Interestingly the attacks on military pensions by a poster, seem to have gone unchallenged. Earned over years of deployments and danger, he seems to begrudge soldiers the conditions they signed up for. The previous government also disliked these pensions and took them away, only to be humiliated in the courts recently with a reinstatement likely for many.
Do stop whining.

I'm not getting criticism because the more discerning members of Arrse understand that I'm not questioning pensions per se. I'm challenging you because you're a humourless public sector drone with a massive and tedious sense of entitlement and a rapacious attitude towards what others have, together with the unshakeable and highly hypocritical belief that your own assets should be ring-fenced from predation.

Since you won't discuss supply chains, why not channel your pension outrage and talk us through how you opposed Gordon Brown's raid on private sector pensions in order to sustain a massive expansion of the public sector which included more police?
 

StormsInAfrica

Old-Salt
Daughter is writing direct to the (lady) Bishop ……….
And I would hope, if the response is less than exemplary of the charitable position they loudly espouse to all, the Press.

I was educated exclusively through Catholic schools. A denser sty of inadequates and hypocrites you'd be hard pressed to find.
 
There should be no problem doing that. Even when I was working the last 5 or six years were heavily mobile and we effectively worked out of rucksacks. Now If HMRC and the HO could get that right then- even if problematic due to different databases they should be able to now. That said even now internet can be an issue in some areas.
Comms engineers are self isolating , so if a link goes down, getting someone to swap out a board or test is best efforts from those remaining.
 

Truxx

LE
There should be no problem doing that. Even when I was working the last 5 or six years were heavily mobile and we effectively worked out of rucksacks. Now If HMRC and the HO could get that right then- even if problematic due to different databases they should be able to now. That said even now internet can be an issue in some areas.
Your point about internet connectivity is well made - broadband in these parts resembles a snake swallowing a goat. Firing up a laptop though is not an internet activity.
 

Truxx

LE
And I would hope, if the response is less than exemplary of the charitable position they loudly espouse to all, the Press.

I was educated exclusively through Catholic schools. A denser sty of inadequates and hypocrites you'd be hard pressed to find.
The Church did not get rich by being charitable.....
 

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