Boris - The Prime Minister

First thoughts on PMBoris, will he make a difference?


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Advice to BoJo as to what to chop from the head of the Tax Payer's Alliance. Most of it is behind the paywall, so I'll paraphrase.


1. Bin H2S

With costs already up from £40 billion to £100 billion and guaranteed to rise further, axing this could pay for literally hundreds of local transport projects. Less chance of project over-runs, more business benefit and happier local voters.

2. Let people leave school at 16 if they wish

Instead of being forced to stay in full time education until 18. Some people are just not academically inclined - and many would like the option to avoid a pointless couple of extra years in education.

3. Bin the requirement for all civil servants to have degrees

If someone has a decent record of achievement in life without a degree, why not let them join the civil service and bring those skills to bear there.

4. Bin National Pay Bargaining

Give different areas of the country the right to set their own pay rates for public services. Maybe public services could get by with fewer but better paid staff.

5. Bonfire of the Quangos Mk 2.

Pointless quangos have proliferated again. Many could be binned without any measurable impact.

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Expect more teddy launching from the London Luvies - they'll be hit hardest.

And the unions will hate the end of national pay bargaining...

Wordsmith
Actually I think HS2 should stay and it is vital if a reduction of car use is predicated. We need to replace Victorian infrastructure as matter of course.
Collective bargaining was axed donkeys ago and has been a bug bear under the equal pay act. Which specifies equal pay for similar work. Ultimately regional pay schemes are funded centrally and the one thing I have learned is that to make the regional differences too great damages mobility.
 
Agree with keeping HS2. Every time we do infrastructure in this country we seem incapable of maintaining course - primarily due to lobbying and whataboutery. Get it done - quickly - and move on.

The other thing that would vastly improve performance of the justice system is the repeal of any and all "hate crime" legislation. That's not to legitimise discrimination or persecution, but to put an end to the seemingly endless offence-taking (often by others on behalf of some group or other) that ties up police and court time. A crime against the person should remain a crime - but there's a difference between being a victim of a crime and taking offence at something someone says.

Astonishingly, the College of Policing has a 140 page guide on "Hate Crime - Operational Guidance" (see Linky).
 

Trans-sane

LE
Book Reviewer
Agree with keeping HS2. Every time we do infrastructure in this country we seem incapable of maintaining course - primarily due to lobbying and whataboutery. Get it done - quickly - and move on.

The other thing that would vastly improve performance of the justice system is the repeal of any and all "hate crime" legislation. That's not to legitimise discrimination or persecution, but to put an end to the seemingly endless offence-taking (often by others on behalf of some group or other) that ties up police and court time. A crime against the person should remain a crime - but there's a difference between being a victim of a crime and taking offence at something someone says.

Astonishingly, the College of Policing has a 140 page guide on "Hate Crime - Operational Guidance" (see Linky).
We had plenty of laws that provided protection to any group you care to mention. What was lacking was those laws being applied consistently and without favour (and the.political will to ensure that occurred).

Rather than "hate crimes" being added to the statute books, any hate aspect of a crime should have been applied at sentencing as the opposite of mitigation (whatever that word is, can't think today...)
 
Advice to BoJo as to what to chop from the head of the Tax Payer's Alliance. Most of it is behind the paywall, so I'll paraphrase.


1. Bin H2S

With costs already up from £40 billion to £100 billion and guaranteed to rise further, axing this could pay for literally hundreds of local transport projects. Less chance of project over-runs, more business benefit and happier local voters.

2. Let people leave school at 16 if they wish

Instead of being forced to stay in full time education until 18. Some people are just not academically inclined - and many would like the option to avoid a pointless couple of extra years in education.

3. Bin the requirement for all civil servants to have degrees

If someone has a decent record of achievement in life without a degree, why not let them join the civil service and bring those skills to bear there.

4. Bin National Pay Bargaining

Give different areas of the country the right to set their own pay rates for public services. Maybe public services could get by with fewer but better paid staff.

5. Bonfire of the Quangos Mk 2.

Pointless quangos have proliferated again. Many could be binned without any measurable impact.

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Expect more teddy launching from the London Luvies - they'll be hit hardest.

And the unions will hate the end of national pay bargaining...

Wordsmith
I can see No 4 being very contentious, the others less so.
 
Agree with keeping HS2. Every time we do infrastructure in this country we seem incapable of maintaining course - primarily due to lobbying and whataboutery. Get it done - quickly - and move on.

The other thing that would vastly improve performance of the justice system is the repeal of any and all "hate crime" legislation. That's not to legitimise discrimination or persecution, but to put an end to the seemingly endless offence-taking (often by others on behalf of some group or other) that ties up police and court time. A crime against the person should remain a crime - but there's a difference between being a victim of a crime and taking offence at something someone says.

Astonishingly, the College of Policing has a 140 page guide on "Hate Crime - Operational Guidance" (see Linky).
Everything that is wrong with hate crime laws is in these examples.
Perception equals hurt fecking feelings.
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DTBA

War Hero
Advice to BoJo as to what to chop from the head of the Tax Payer's Alliance. Most of it is behind the paywall, so I'll paraphrase.


1. Bin H2S

With costs already up from £40 billion to £100 billion and guaranteed to rise further, axing this could pay for literally hundreds of local transport projects. Less chance of project over-runs, more business benefit and happier local voters.

2. Let people leave school at 16 if they wish

Instead of being forced to stay in full time education until 18. Some people are just not academically inclined - and many would like the option to avoid a pointless couple of extra years in education.

3. Bin the requirement for all civil servants to have degrees

If someone has a decent record of achievement in life without a degree, why not let them join the civil service and bring those skills to bear there.

4. Bin National Pay Bargaining

Give different areas of the country the right to set their own pay rates for public services. Maybe public services could get by with fewer but better paid staff.

5. Bonfire of the Quangos Mk 2.

Pointless quangos have proliferated again. Many could be binned without any measurable impact.

------------------

Expect more teddy launching from the London Luvies - they'll be hit hardest.

And the unions will hate the end of national pay bargaining...

Wordsmith
3 isn't a requirement as it stands
 
Agree with keeping HS2. Every time we do infrastructure in this country we seem incapable of maintaining course - primarily due to lobbying and whataboutery. Get it done - quickly - and move on.

The other thing that would vastly improve performance of the justice system is the repeal of any and all "hate crime" legislation. That's not to legitimise discrimination or persecution, but to put an end to the seemingly endless offence-taking (often by others on behalf of some group or other) that ties up police and court time. A crime against the person should remain a crime - but there's a difference between being a victim of a crime and taking offence at something someone says.

Astonishingly, the College of Policing has a 140 page guide on "Hate Crime - Operational Guidance" (see Linky).
I want to go back to somewhere around 1976. The law is as clear as a pike staff, doesn't need terrorist offences or Hate crime. All offences include an element of hate and an element of terror otherwise they wouldn't be offences. In terms of hate crime, any person who reasonably believes any threat made against them is subject to the protection of OAP. It doesn't have to be actual. Go back to Moriarties- those of you who can remember.
 

Themanwho

LE
Book Reviewer
Interesting piece in the speccy:


... the most interesting part for me being:

"Those involved in the New Labour project later admitted that one of their biggest regrets was not making better use of the first two years of the landslide victory — of not doing more to choose nettles to grasp. The Prime Minister and the Chancellor will perhaps never have a better time in which to take unpopular but necessary decisions, to abandon bad ideas from the last decade and to implement the one-nation Conservative agenda that they both promised during the party leadership campaign. It would be sensible of them to start with the Budget."

So what will be the biggest beasts to be slain? Not counting Brexit!
 
Interesting piece in the speccy:


... the most interesting part for me being:

"Those involved in the New Labour project later admitted that one of their biggest regrets was not making better use of the first two years of the landslide victory — of not doing more to choose nettles to grasp. The Prime Minister and the Chancellor will perhaps never have a better time in which to take unpopular but necessary decisions, to abandon bad ideas from the last decade and to implement the one-nation Conservative agenda that they both promised during the party leadership campaign. It would be sensible of them to start with the Budget."

So what will be the biggest beasts to be slain? Not counting Brexit!
Overhaul of The Welfare State, including some way to encourage the workshy to get off their backsides and turning it back into a safety net.
and
Overhaul of the Civil Service, in particular the habit of promoting to your level of incompetence and then leaving them there.
 

Themanwho

LE
Book Reviewer
Overhaul of The Welfare State, including some way to encourage the workshy to get off their backsides and turning it back into a safety net.
and
Overhaul of the Civil Service, in particular the habit of promoting to your level of incompetence and then leaving them there.
They've made noises about Sir Humphrey's old mob already...
 
We had plenty of laws that provided protection to any group you care to mention. What was lacking was those laws being applied consistently and without favour (and the.political will to ensure that occurred).

Rather than "hate crimes" being added to the statute books, any hate aspect of a crime should have been applied at sentencing as the opposite of mitigation (whatever that word is, can't think today...)
The word you are looking for is 'aggravating'.

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Trans-sane

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Book Reviewer
The word you are looking for is 'aggravating'.

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I remembered by yesterday but didn't go online. So you sir win the prize. Its purly a moral prize but its not nothing. (Ok, it is nothing)
 
HHhmmmm Boris does seem to be powering ahead with some of his election promises. Not sure about the Guardian nutjob though:
"Boris Johnson’s government intends to sustain this ignoble tradition. Its consultation document on unauthorised encampments proposes to criminalise the lives of some of Britain’s most vulnerable and persecuted groups. By enabling the police to confiscate the homes of “anyone whom they suspect to be trespassing on land with the purpose of residing on it”, Gypsies, Roma and Travellers will be left with nowhere to stop. "

Gyppo's are vulnerable, who knew?? I suppose they could stop at the campsites each council has to provide for them. Nah, stupid idea, why would they want to do that?

 
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HHhmmmm Boris does seem to be powering ahead with some of his election promises. Not sure about the Guardian nutjob though:
"Boris Johnson’s government intends to sustain this ignoble tradition. Its consultation document on unauthorised encampments proposes to criminalise the lives of some of Britain’s most vulnerable and persecuted groups. By enabling the police to confiscate the homes of “anyone whom they suspect to be trespassing on land with the purpose of residing on it”, Gypsies, Roma and Travellers will be left with nowhere to stop. "
Gyppo's are vulnerable, who knew??
Nutjob is a good description. Dangerous nutjob might be another. Portraying centrists as fascists while proposing the working class overthrow capitalism and impose communism. Soviet communism was too capitalistic apparently. All property is theft comrades.

As with any new laws there are always risks if they haven't been well thought out or are knee jerk responses.
 
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Speaking at the UK-Africa Investment Summit, Boris revealed one sector in which UK has total global market domination…

“One in seven of the world’s kings, queens, presidents, prime ministers, were educated in this country. Including the Japanese Emperor. We have a total global monopoly on the higher education of emperors.”
He has a jolly fine turn of phrase :)
 
proposes to criminalise the lives of some of Britain’s most vulnerable and persecuted groups.
Gyppo's are vulnerable, who knew??
Clearly that Guardian ****** doesn’t live anywhere near the areas blighted by these awful people. ‘Vulnerable and persecuted’? Try telling that to the thousands of honest, decent citizens who have had their lives ruined by these irresponsible, lawless gangs. Culture my arse.
I truly hope Boris’s Government has the gonads to send them back to Southern Ireland where the majority come from!
 
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Clearly that Guardian ****** doesn’t live anywhere near the areas blighted by these awful people. ‘Vulnerable and persecuted’? Try telling that to the thousands of honest, decent citizens who have had their lives ruined by these irresponsible, lawless gangs. Culture my arse.
I truly hope Boris’s Government has the gonads to send them back to Souther Ireland where the majority come from!
The pikies... sorry... I meant gypies, like any other 'persecuted' group know how to play the system. These laws that the Conservatives are proposing are similar to laws that were introduced in Southern Ireland.
It stopped a lot of the pikey antics overnight in Southern Ireland. So there is no reason (other than a lack of police willingness to enforce such a clampdown) as to why it can't work here.
Boris - you have a fecking majority to push though any law that you want. Use it ffs.
 

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