Boris - The Prime Minister

[wetsmonkey]

Of course, couched in terms that suggest "dodginess", the public perceive whatever is presented to them.

One would almost wonder why this constant stream of piffling inanities is being used to smear the government.

It's not as if there's anything else going on in the world.

One would almost wonder why this constant stream of allegations is always referred to as piffling inanities, just cake, fluff, leadership etc by The BFC?

 

[wetsmonkey]

Can't see it happening, simply because it'd mean that Truss, Patel and others with their eyes on the prize would realise that their chances of being PM were pretty much done for. They'd need to remain as big hitters in the cabinet for all this time - not impossible, see Jim Callaghan, for example, although he had a period in opposition - without younger, equally ambitious colleagues appearing on the scene.

I suspect that he was being mischievous, to be fair, without realising that some of his duller, but ambitious colleagues might miss that and decide that they need to start briefing against him (or start briefing harder, as I suspect some of them are doing so already) lest their chance for glory disappear…

I think that comment will do him more harm than good in the Conservative Party.

 

[Archimedes]

No 10 already spinning it 'as a joke'.

To be fair, I suspect it almost certainly was - it’s the sort of thing you can easily see him saying with his tongue planted firmly in his cheek, no malice intended, but failing to recall that this is now bound to be taken as a serious expression of ambition…

 

[Northern_Biff]

To be fair, I suspect it almost certainly was - it’s the sort of thing you can easily see him saying with his tongue planted firmly in his cheek, no malice intended, but failing to recall that this is now bound to be taken as a serious expression of ambition…

......by the usual guffers.

 

[Emcon Ecomcon]

Politicians lie, the proles get duped.

When the Fashion Industry says you look good in that new makeup or tight dress, its probably true. But only if you looked like Olivia Rodrigo, or a Pussycat Doll and so its consumers, who are the ones lying and any psyche knows that we tells the biggest lies to ourselves.

Truxx/themanwho and others are locked into the brand. The fact its almost certain the population know longer believe or trust a word that comes out Boris's mouth wouldn't matter, if he himself had seriously engaged in the culture war, but even now his efforts are pitiful.

The ugly truth is he isn't a Conservative and leads a party that isn't deserving of the brand.

 

[Themanwho]

That would be better than the farcical version we have now.
Your denigration of my suggestion would carry slightly more weight if it wasn't exactly what happens in every 'democratic' process in the country right now, or can you show me how the views of the nearly 15million that didn't cote Tory are being accommodated.
I could ask how the views of those that voted to remain in the EU are being considered but I don't want to confuse you too much.

Blimey. And you have a vote? Thankfully only the one, but still....

 

[Victorian_Major]

No 10 already spinning it 'as a joke'.

They’ll have to spin double hard when explaining the joke in why they chose to shaft HRH POW with the plastic bags story.

Obvious Rwanda Statement retaliation is obvious. Tory revenge used to have more guile and timing.

 

[dogmeat]

can you show me how the views of the nearly 15million that didn't cote Tory are being accommodated.
I could ask how the views of those that voted to remain in the EU are being considered but I don't want to confuse you too much.

They have been tested and found wanting.

 

[Northern_Biff]

They have been tested and found wanting.

That and they didn't know what they were voting for as they were dumb enough to believe the remainers blatant lies.

 

[Boumer]

Don’t forget his “Corruption Czar”.

It's so tricky to keep up.....

We risk forgetting the others, like the head of the Government Legal Service who also resigned. The justice minister. His last Solicitor General was reshuffled out.

Still, the show must go on eh?

 

[Northern_Biff]

He's woke up with his head dobber on fire!

 

[Bravo_Bravo]

That and they didn't know what they were voting for as they were dumb enough to believe the remainers blatant lies.
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Ah, explains why we didn't leave the EU.

You ductile simpleton.

You won and you're still whining.

You believed the £350m lie.

No wonder you're whining.

You "won", get over it.

 

[Truxx]

When the Fashion Industry says you look good in that new makeup or tight dress, its probably true. But only if you looked like Olivia Rodrigo, or a Pussycat Doll and so its consumers, who are the ones lying and any psyche knows that we tells the biggest lies to ourselves.

Truxx/themanwho and others are locked into the brand. The fact its almost certain the population know longer believe or trust a word that comes out Boris's mouth wouldn't matter, if he himself had seriously engaged in the culture war, but even now his efforts are pitiful.

The ugly truth is he isn't a Conservative and leads a party that isn't deserving of the brand.

Second paragraph demonstrates that, yet again you have it wrong.

I have no idea how many times on this and other threads I have stated that I am not a Boris fan.

My comments are, though generally aimed at poking the empty headed who are either living in cloud cuckoo land rather than the real world or who are so desperate to make a point that they forget that their argument is easily disassembled by reference to any of a whole range of contra-indications.

In this case you can waffle on to your hearts content about the extent to which Boris is, or is not a "true" Conservative, but the reality is that is a pointless exercise. He was, at least at the time of the election, the best of a bad bunch. The extent of his "conservatism" is of no more consequence than the extent of Tony Blairs socialism.

Anyway, come to think of it you have yet to answer the question that I posed a day or two ago. Perhaps you should do that rather than telling individual site members how they perceive things.

Or we may well start to form some perceptions of our own*








* this may be too late

 

[wetsmonkey]

It's so tricky to keep up.....

We risk forgetting the others, like the head of the Government Legal Service who also resigned. The justice minister. His last Solicitor General was reshuffled out.

Still, the show must go on eh?

It’s Trumpian.

 

[WightMivvi]

One would almost wonder why this constant stream of allegations is always referred to as piffling inanities, just cake, fluff, leadership etc by The BFC?

Similarly, you could wonder how going into a room (where a piece of cake is quarantined in a Tupperware box) merits the resignation of the PM.

Or being in your own garden near a glass of wine?

Here’s a thought…

If a Buckingham Palace waiter has one left-over port too many, after a hard day working the cellar, and then throws up into a George III vase, whilst the Queen has an evening dubonet with her duty Lady in Waiting, should the Queen abdicate?

Her home. Her office. Her staff. Her failure to clamp down on long-established traditions and drinking culture. Her failure to ensure staff know how to behave…

The rot starts at the top people!!

 

[Dreamseller]

Similarly, you could wonder how going into a room (where a piece of cake is quarantined in a Tupperware box) merits the resignation of the PM.

Or being in your own garden near a glass of wine?

Here’s a thought…

If a Buckingham Palace waiter has one left-over port too many, after a hard day working the cellar, and then throws up into a George III vase, whilst the Queen has an evening dubonet with her duty Lady in Waiting, should the Queen abdicate?

Her home. Her office. Her staff. Her failure to clamp down on long-established traditions and drinking culture. Her failure to ensure staff know how to behave…

The rot starts at the top people!!

I suppose the question could be; did the Queen propose to legislate/tell almost everyone in the UK they were not allowed to drink the left over port?

Whether we agree or not on the importance of the party or not, in the end the PM accepted he broke the law and paid his fine. Would any other PM have been allowed to continue after doing so?

Personally, I again think the PM could've easily side stepped this if even once during the time he had put some effort into saying, or even better for a paper trail, sent emails/memos, "look we understand this is usually standard within Number 10, but during these times can we do our best to refrain from doing so."

 

[WightMivvi]

I suppose the question could be; did the Queen propose to legislate/tell almost everyone in the UK they were not allowed to drink the left over port?

Although there is no covid law banning alcohol, the simple answer to your question is “Yes”.

Boris does not have the authority to make laws; that power rests with the Queen. Therefore she is the ultimate source of the covid laws. She signed the papers that introduced the law.

So it would be a case of her law, her staff.

Whether we agree or not on the importance of the party or not, in the end the PM accepted he broke the law and paid his fine. Would any other PM have been allowed to continue after doing so?

It would depend on the seriousness of the crime. If it warranted a prison sentence or involved fraud of some sort then I’d fully back calls for him to resign.

As it is, he paid an FPN, which others have explained means he has not been found guilty of any crime.

We also don’t know what advice was given to Cabinet Office staff (and the PM) by the building H&S lead about any covid working practices within Number 10 and the Cabinet Office.

It may well be that the official advice given to staff and the PM was incorrect.

We also don’t know why the line managers of the who also got FPNs hadn’t clamped down on their staff’s behaviours if the H&S lead had issued instructions around work bubbles.

There are a lot of unanswered questions about responsibility and guidance which means I am loath to start judging people.

 

[Graculus]

......by the usual guffers.

emcon's your mate....

 

[wetsmonkey]

Similarly, you could wonder how going into a room (where a piece of cake is quarantined in a Tupperware box) merits the resignation of the PM.

Or being in your own garden near a glass of wine?

Here’s a thought…

If a Buckingham Palace waiter has one left-over port too many, after a hard day working the cellar, and then throws up into a George III vase, whilst the Queen has an evening dubonet with her duty Lady in Waiting, should the Queen abdicate?

Her home. Her office. Her staff. Her failure to clamp down on long-established traditions and drinking culture. Her failure to ensure staff know how to behave…

The rot starts at the top people!!

I don’t remember calling for Bozo’s resignation or sacking. What are you talking about?

 

[wetsmonkey]

Although there is no covid law banning alcohol, the simple answer to your question is “Yes”.

Boris does not have the authority to make laws; that power rests with the Queen. Therefore she is the ultimate source of the covid laws. She signed the papers that introduced the law.

So it would be a case of her law, her staff.

It would depend on the seriousness of the crime. If it warranted a prison sentence or involved fraud of some sort then I’d fully back calls for him to resign.

As it is, he paid an FPN, which others have explained means he has not been found guilty of any crime.

We also don’t know what advice was given to Cabinet Office staff (and the PM) by the building H&S lead about any covid working practices within Number 10 and the Cabinet Office.

It may well be that the official advice given to staff and the PM was incorrect.

We also don’t know why the line managers of the who also got FPNs hadn’t clamped down on their staff’s behaviours if the H&S lead had issued instructions around work bubbles.

There are a lot of unanswered questions about responsibility and guidance which means I am loath to start judging people.

If The Parliamentary Standards Committee, finds Bozo lied to Parliament, do you think Bozo should resign?