Boris - The Prime Minister

First thoughts on PMBoris, will he make a difference?


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I’m confident that we will have an election before the end of the year, hopefully after we Brexit with a deal that is good for us. Whilst Corbyn is Labour leader, I would expect The Tories to win.
Possibly. However the country is Brexit weary and I'm sure Labour will campaign along the lines of "Only Labour can now secure a fair post-brexit future for all", or some other waffly shite.

Just because BoJo's hero Churchill won WW2 didn't mean he'd convinced the public that the rebuilding was best left in his hands.

That said, once were out the Lib Dem surge should collapse as I can't in all honesty see them campaigning to take us back in. If we leave with a deal of sorts, I can't imagine the BP to campaign to revoke the deal and re-exit (???) on WTO terms.

It should come back down to a good old fashioned Labour vs Tories election. I.e who do distrust least.
 
What a brilliant comment and what a sad reflection of UK Politics, when your choice is who do I distrust the least.
I've always voted for the least worst option, it's better than just voting for a party because your family always have
 
And what ‘law’ would that be then? There is no law, Parliament does whatever Parliament does, and no me-learned to get in the way. Which is why this whole Shebang will fail, because it might be a Supreme Court but of what? Not what Parliament does that’s for sure.
I used the term 'EU Law' not 'EU Laws' - EU law is a Civil Law system whereas UK Law is a 'common law system' which, like pre-1972 parliament was relatively sovereign. A measure of legal and parliamentary sovereignty was surrendered with our accession to the EC in 72. Anyway, you can, if you so wish, read or listen to what Bogdaner has to say on the matter and make your own mind up. Vernon Bogdanor: MPs haven’t been doing their jobs – this isn’t a constitutional crisis, but a parliamentary one ETA: I think we may be more in agreement that the prorogation has little to do with the SC. But my hunch is that if the Goverment wins there will be an attempt (which will be unsuccessful) by the Limp Dems et al to take the issue to the ECJ.
 
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Robme

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Ex PMTM was in my opinion the worst PM in history. She was principled, but her principles were fatally flawed due to the fact that she thought anyone in the EU would really take her seriously. She played the worst hand very badly right from the off.

It should have gone like this.

1. Referendum result is announced.
2. Polite diplomatic letter sent to the EU confirming we are leaving.
3. Do nothing else but plan for leaving asap.
4. Wait for 'sorry your leaving' card and ignore it.
5. Do nothing else but plan for leaving asap.
6. The phone rings, it's someone from the EU wants to talk about stuff they want.
7. Tell them, "sorry cant talk right now, planning to leave asap".
8. Do nothing else but plan for leaving asap and wait for the phone to ring again from someone panicking.
9. Reluctantly agree to a meeting but cant promise anything, because just finalising plans to leave asap.
10. Turn up at meeting with total NFI whatsoever because we are leaving attitude.
11. Raise eyebrows in total surprise when they present a list of things they want.
12. Feign to show an interest, but then say nah, we are leaving asap.
13. Wait for them to cough several times and say "please"
14. Look at watch, stand up pick up brief case and tell them you will have a think about it while doing your duty free shopping in Calais.
15. Get back and make a list of the stuff you want, and do nothing else but plan to leave asap, and wait for the phone to ring again.
16. Tell them each of the things they can have, in exchange for each if the things you want. If they say no, then tell them "we have nothing else to discuss" and hang up.
17. Wait for phone to ring again and repeat 16 above.

This is called "Calling The Shots" being in charge, showing strong stable leadership, taking no shit, and sticking to your words, "No Deal is better than a bad deal" "Brexit means Brexit"

Ex PMTM did none of that, she took what the EU offered and bottled it.
Ted Heath, he took us in not giving a fook about any federalisation that they Mafia might have been brewing (which they were). Look up Peter Shores comments to the Oxford Union on you tube. I vote out in 1975, having no idea as what the sledged benefits of membership might be.
 
I thought he was a spiv
I've always felt that he had a touch of Harry Flashman about him. Supported by the fact that he ran away after the Referendum.

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Ted Heath, he took us in not giving a fook about any federalisation that they Mafia might have been brewing (which they were). Look up Peter Shores comments to the Oxford Union on you tube. I vote out in 1975, having no idea as what the sledged benefits of membership might be.
The Heathian referendum made no overt issue in respect of joining.@club swinger the point was that Cameron accepted Juncker’s decision in respect A 50. That tied the Government’s hands. What he could have done was to delay the kneejerk to query the Validity of those terms. But then neither the Government nor Parliament wanted to leave. May’s position was perfectly reasonable, but in the wrong context. Well we’ve tried that but in relation to the underhand socialist separate negotiations, for which there is no mandate (and the EU know it) there are no rules. Fine,if Bercow wants to bend the rules, the odd rule bent won’t matter
 
I've always felt that he had a touch of Harry Flashman about him. Supported by the fact that he ran away after the Referendum.

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Disagree simply because although Flashman regarded himself as a coward he still fought. He might have been crapping himself, but he still fought for the sake of his "credit". So although Flashman felt that he didn't deserve his VC and knighthood because he wasn't a willing participant and was absolutely terrified, viewing his actions externally he did.

To compare Cameron to Flashman is to do Flashman an enormous disservice.
 

ugly

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Disagree simply because although Flashman regarded himself as a coward he still fought. He might have been crapping himself, but he still fought for the sake of his "credit". So although Flashman felt that he didn't deserve his VC and knighthood because he wasn't a willing participant and was absolutely terrified, viewing his actions externally he did.

To compare Cameron to Flashman is to do Flashman an enormous disservice.
When I said spiv I meant as in the mould of Blair if not the casting itself. Although not a failure as a solicitor he was certainly the PR man you didnt trust with his own money let alone yours.
 
Disagree simply because although Flashman regarded himself as a coward he still fought. He might have been crapping himself, but he still fought for the sake of his "credit". So although Flashman felt that he didn't deserve his VC and knighthood because he wasn't a willing participant and was absolutely terrified, viewing his actions externally he did.

To compare Cameron to Flashman is to do Flashman an enormous disservice.
Good post. There is something of Cameron in the peacetime Flashman. In few of the Flashman papers, we see Flashman as a fairly feckless, kept, man about town; with little opportunity for his redeeming self-awareness and bravery - albeit the bravery of a desperate man - to shine through. In those parts of the papers, Flashman is not an impressive person.
It is remarkable how since Lady T, we have brought forward such weak leaders (hopefully Boris has some steel about him).
 
#BecauseOfBrexit

Looks like Boris must be sitting pretty right now

Just got to refuse a deal and walk away and the elections in the bag

 
#BecauseOfBrexit

Looks like Boris must be sitting pretty right now

Just got to refuse a deal and walk away and the elections in the bag

Be interesting to know haw Flavible Projection gives the SNP another 15 seats, unless they some how think the Scottish Tories are going to lose heavily in a GE and the SNP pick up all their seats and rescue a few elsewhere.
 

ugly

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Be interesting to know haw Flavible Projection gives the SNP another 15 seats, unless they some how think the Scottish Tories are going to lose heavily in a GE and the SNP pick up all their seats and rescue a few elsewhere.
As long as the lib dems are smashes I will be happy, losing Scotland is a price worth paying
 
As long as the lib dems are smashes I will be happy, losing Scotland is a price worth paying
Think it more likely Lab & Limp Dems. will both be in the low 20's % wise. Be a picture watching them squabble to be the official opposition.....
 
As long as the lib dems are smashes I will be happy, losing Scotland is a price worth paying
I'd rather lose Labour, the Greens and Lib Dems than the Conservatives. Much as I'd love the SNP to crash & burn, I doubt they will because a lot of people rightly proud of Scotland believe the SNP is the party for them instead of looking at policies, intent and the possibility of wielding influence in Westmenister.
 

Robme

LE
Ok imho a whole lot of piffle has been written about supply post kicking the Mafia in the nutts. Most it has to be said based no more than on what can I make up next as part of project fear.
Is there any reason why our RAF and RN transport elements can’t arrive at whatever country in the world where the production of necessary goods are produced, load up and travel back to the U.K.? And I’m not talking about Oranges from Spain or runner beans from Kenya?
 

Joker62

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Book Reviewer
Be interesting to know haw Flavible Projection gives the SNP another 15 seats, unless they some how think the Scottish Tories are going to lose heavily in a GE and the SNP pick up all their seats and rescue a few elsewhere.
More likely one or two of the ScotLab seats seeing as the poll predicts Labour losing 115 seats.
 

Club Swinger

War Hero
#BecauseOfBrexit

Looks like Boris must be sitting pretty right now

Just got to refuse a deal and walk away and the elections in the bag

Bit sick I know, but I'm sort of hoping that the EU dont cave in, and Boris has no option to refuse the current deal or any other deal.

If he goes to the summit on the 17th of October and the EU rollout the Red Carpet for him and agree to anything Boris asks for, what would he do then? Is that the kibosh on a No Deal Brexit?
 
Bit sick I know, but I'm sort of hoping that the EU dont cave in, and Boris has no option to refuse the current deal or any other deal.

If he goes to the summit on the 17th of October and the EU rollout the Red Carpet for him and agree to anything Boris asks for, what would he do then? Is that the kibosh on a No Deal Brexit?
You've got more chance of Corbyn going on the BBC and saying Chairman Mao and Stalin did more harm than good, and Socialism is a bit shite really
 

ugly

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Bit sick I know, but I'm sort of hoping that the EU dont cave in, and Boris has no option to refuse the current deal or any other deal.

If he goes to the summit on the 17th of October and the EU rollout the Red Carpet for him and agree to anything Boris asks for, what would he do then? Is that the kibosh on a No Deal Brexit?
Despite the fact that I want no deal Boris is bound to try for a deal. If the EU can agree terms there is no time to get parliament to read it let alone agree it. I think no deal is 99% guaranteed by the default situation he is left in thanks to the remainers who curiously have engineered a forced no deal exit and a GE which Boris should win thanks to the remainers again.
You couldn't make up a farce this good.
 

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