Boris - The Prime Minister

First thoughts on PMBoris, will he make a difference?


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@LeoRoverman the issue is not that he is "not paid to be liked", but there seems little transparency about who is paying him for what.

My local allotment accounts are run with more accountability than who is paying for what for our leader.
 

Arse_Bandit

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I don't think that anybody has ever blamed Boris for the origins of Coronavirus. It is something that has affected the whole world.

The mark of the leader is how others have managed the crisis. The UK's record has been pitiful in comparison with the rest of Europe. Apart from at the very start of the pandemic (ie before infection had properly reached these shores), our infection rates, hospitalisation rates and death rates have consistently been ahead of the field.

The oversight of the elderly in care homes was quite appalling with correspondingly high death rates.

Other lockdown and regulatory control measures have invariably been introduced too late and relaxed too early, in spite of the scientific advice to the contrary. Travel and border controls, in particular, have been imposed far too late to have the required effect or have been imposed insufficiently.

The award of supply contracts during the crisis has been sloppy and dysfunctional, at least or corrupt, at worst.

Advice to the public has been confused and confusing, veering ambiguously between regulated control, advice and personal choice.

The single bright spot was that we were early out of the blocks with a vaccination programme. This early advantage has now been lost and we have started to fall behind other European and first world countries.
We possibly appear to be doing worse because of the way we test and admit to cases...


More than twice as much testing as the nearest EU member state, in the Southwest (where I live and my daughter was directly effected by a false negative PCR) our stats have just jumped massively because of just 43,000 false negative tests over a month being dumped into the weekly stats... I suspect that once this all blows over people will come to realise how much worse we could be even if we were to all agree that BJ was "a bit shit"
 
Did I say that? I think he's doing a fair job given the pressures and since Sir Uppyerarsebendyknee Starmer is not in a position to actually give a comparator as to how it should be done and in comparisons to other countries- I live with it. And when are you little lickspittles going to man up and blame China, It emanated there, it's caused havoc, killed millions but that's alright blame Boris.
We all know it originated in China, but Johnson's handling of the pandemic has been shockingly inept.
 
@LeoRoverman the issue is not that he is "not paid to be liked", but there seems little transparency about who is paying him for what.

My local allotment accounts are run with more accountability than who is paying for what for our leader.
Not disagreeing, but let’s face it with all the fingerpointing all the parties depend on funding. It’s well known that access is paid for so where’s the essential difference? The state pays him to be PM. That’s it! his own resources are a matter for him and HMRC. Now if you could point to one politician that was any different I’d be more than pleased.
Seems to me that no politician can fill the void people are seeking to fill cos such an animal hasn’t been invented
 
We all know it originated in China, but Johnson's handling of the pandemic has been shockingly inept.
No China hasn’t been told to foot the bill. Short of nuking Peking we’ve had far too many cover ups, they won’t pay. Then you have to accept that all politicians have fallen short.
 

Truxx

LE
Unlike you, I didn’t go to public school which has to be the only place left on Earth that still thinks teaching Latin and Greek has any value aside from bumping up exorbitant school fees.
Unless you are trying to move armour in Greece or recce for resupply over mountains in Albania controlled by Vlachs.

In those circumstances both languages are exceptionally handy.
 
The oversight of the elderly in care homes was quite appalling with correspondingly high death rates.
Care homes are privately run institutions by and large. The fuckups between the NHS and care homes is something to be determined. They’ve certainly racked up the profits and failed to make their own provisions and there are gaps in the ability of councils, which have never been tested to this extent before. Whether in fact the cost of social provision will match the intended output of this country under either regime or government has yet to be determined. The one thing that is certain there is a new boom time for those who can make money under our new world, cos either way it out of our pockets.
 
Not disagreeing, but let’s face it with all the fingerpointing all the parties depend on funding. It’s well known that access is paid for so where’s the essential difference? The state pays him to be PM. That’s it! his own resources are a matter for him and HMRC. Now if you could point to one politician that was any different I’d be more than pleased.
Seems to me that no politician can fill the void people are seeking to fill cos such an animal hasn’t been invented

Access Capitalism is a wonderful neologism!

We used to call it corruption.
 
Steady on, mucker. They're all like that. Doesn't matter what party; the only honest politician is the one that stays bought. (Heinlein)

Edit crap typing.

I have heard it said the only true words spoken in Parliament were by Spencer Perceval ("Oh, murder! Murder!").

 
Unlike you, I didn’t go to public school which has to be the only place left on Earth that still thinks teaching Latin and Greek has any value aside from bumping up exorbitant school fees.
Apart from a) the intellectual rigour required to study them; b) both are great aids to learning modern Romance languages; and c) improving your own vocabulary by understanding derivations.
 
Access Capitalism is a wonderful neologism!

We used to call it corruption.
That isn't corruption!!! Corruption is where huge wadges of money change hands for illegal and indeterminate purposes and are not open to Scrutiny. That is a really a question of scale. Not even the Panama papers would reveal corruption unless the actions were contrary to law in existence at the time of the transaction. Even you know that. The fact that their revelation has caused resignations is more to do with the intrusion of privacy :rolleyes: than any proven criminal wrong doing.Lobbying is not dis-allowed- what is is any person in public office taking money to obtain pecuniary advantage to themselves or the payee. Really Boumer I'm surprised at you. But it shouldn't surprise you that politicians are in it to make money- that's the whole function, ask Mandelson, Kinnock, fatty pang and a few others.
 

Truxx

LE
Care homes are privately run institutions by and large. The fuckups between the NHS and care homes is something to be determined. They’ve certainly racked up the profits and failed to make their own provisions and there are gaps in the ability of councils, which have never been tested to this extent before. Whether in fact the cost of social provision will match the intended output of this country under either regime or government has yet to be determined. The one thing that is certain there is a new boom time for those who can make money under our new world, cos either way it out of our pockets.
Care homes are not part of, nor driven by, the NHS

They are part of the local authority Adult Social Services.

I could write a book on what a load of bollox happens as a result.
 

Truxx

LE
Apart from a) the intellectual rigour required to study them; b) both are great aids to learning modern Romance languages; and c) improving your own vocabulary by understanding derivations.
Plus if you want access to a northern Albanian ferry at least a couple of words of Latin will help.
 
Care homes are not part of, nor driven by, the NHS

They are part of the local authority Adult Social Services.

I could write a book on what a load of bollox happens as a result.
There are certainly a lot of people about that swallow what ever "Grrr Boris" is dished out, without the mental agility to question the narrative.
The LA's, aided and abetted by the MSM an Labour, have been allowed to slope shoulders on their actions around the care homes farce. Even down to weepily reporting that private/LA run care homes weren't provided PPE by the government/NHS, when it's feck all to do with NHS procurement.
The usual suspects are like a sponge when it comes to sucking up bollocks........the same swivel eyed loons that voted to remain, it would seem.
 

Truxx

LE
There are certainly a lot of people about that swallow what ever "Grrr Boris" is dished out, without the mental agility to question the narrative.
The LA's, aided and abetted by the MSM an Labour, have been allowed to slope shoulders on their actions around the care homes farce. Even down to reporting that they weren't provided PPE by the government/NHS, when it's feck all to do with NHS procurement.
The usual suspects are like a sponge when it comes to sucking up bollocks........the same swivel eyed loons that voted to remain, it would seem.
I cannot argue with any of that.

Forgotten too is the very detailed direction issued relating to old biddy's discharged from hospital to care home. Isolation, barrier nursing and stringent infection control.

None of which was checked up on let alone enforced by LA staff who were too busy not working from home.

The only reason for deaths in care homes was poor drills plain and simple. Not my words, but those of Dawn, head of care Eden Place St Ives Cambs where my ageing aunt was resident.
 
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I don't think that anybody has ever blamed Boris for the origins of Coronavirus. It is something that has affected the whole world.

The mark of the leader is how others have managed the crisis. The UK's record has been pitiful in comparison with the rest of Europe. Apart from at the very start of the pandemic (ie before infection had properly reached these shores), our infection rates, hospitalisation rates and death rates have consistently been ahead of the field.

The oversight of the elderly in care homes was quite appalling with correspondingly high death rates.

Other lockdown and regulatory control measures have invariably been introduced too late and relaxed too early, in spite of the scientific advice to the contrary. Travel and border controls, in particular, have been imposed far too late to have the required effect or have been imposed insufficiently.

The award of supply contracts during the crisis has been sloppy and dysfunctional, at least or corrupt, at worst.

Advice to the public has been confused and confusing, veering ambiguously between regulated control, advice and personal choice.

The single bright spot was that we were early out of the blocks with a vaccination programme. This early advantage has now been lost and we have started to fall behind other European and first world countries.
I totally disagree.
(1) you are comparing statistics that are not compatible.
(2) many countries in the Eurozone have far more insular economies than ours.
(3) many EU countries have smaller populations
(4) we are an international hub, with all the ramifications that brings.
(5) EUrope had a far less cohesive response despite the EU’s pretence of such, in fact their constant delays on vaccinations and fundamentally anti British stance to prevent our vaccines getting approval was outrageous.
 
That isn't corruption!!! Corruption is where huge wadges of money change hands for illegal and indeterminate purposes and are not open to Scrutiny. That is a really a question of scale. Not even the Panama papers would reveal corruption unless the actions were contrary to law in existence at the time of the transaction. Even you know that. The fact that their revelation has caused resignations is more to do with the intrusion of privacy :rolleyes: than any proven criminal wrong doing.Lobbying is not dis-allowed- what is is any person in public office taking money to obtain pecuniary advantage to themselves or the payee. Really Boumer I'm surprised at you. But it shouldn't surprise you that politicians are in it to make money- that's the whole function, ask Mandelson, Kinnock, fatty pang and a few others.
No, that is criminal.

Corrupt is a moral judgement, I happen to find such behaviour (access capitalism) corrupt. Others may not.

And I always find it entertaining when the "everyone is at it" justication is brought up".

That one person is no less culpable than another is an interesting defence, makes a lot of people wrong. Not one person right.

You can accept a bunch of money legally and still become vulnerable to corruption. It's why people are given security briefings.

Fortunately we are very much in a post-shame era, so as long a person doesn't care (and factory resets their phone regularly) they should be fine.
 
No, that is criminal.

Corrupt is a moral judgement, I happen to find such behaviour (access capitalism) corrupt. Others may not.

And I always find it entertaining when the "everyone is at it" justication is brought up".

That one person is no less culpable than another is an interesting defence, makes a lot of people wrong. Not one person right.

You can accept a bunch of money legally and still become vulnerable to corruption. It's why people are given security briefings.

Fortunately we are very much in a post-shame era, so as long a person doesn't care (and factory resets their phone regularly) they should be fine.
Any crime is generally a matter of bad moral judgement. Justification? I haven’t justified it in any sense whatever. The system just hasn’t changed over our lifetimes. You can accept no money and still be vulnerable to corruption technically.
The point is that crime generally contains an element of corruption, but things can be corrupt and not criminal, witness aspects of the banking systems and then try taking them to court. A post shame era?
Well the days when the Macmillan’s of this world would resort to the mess Wembley over a matter of reputation have certainly gone. I would agree there. But we are dealing with now. It is surprising how the failures of the past are now slowly raising their profiles What with Ali Campbell spreading his tentacles to GMB and Blair becoming the international statesman he never was as if he he is some kind of sage.
I t struck me that the world is determined to become socialist by default. The last bunch of Socialists in Germany brought the world crashing down. Spare me that again at least.
 
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