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Boris - The Prime Minister
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See post 25300. It’s only two above.
ETA for clarity: Two above the post of yours, #25302, I have quoted.
It's amazing the pretzel - like contortions you can put your opinions of people through if they just say what you want to hear.
ACAB
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I personally, as a Conservative Party Member, voted for the lying, weasily, unfaithfull, BoJo.
And I don't feel bad about it.
Look at what was offered as an alternative, 'Girly Swot' Jo Swinson, or the utter nightmare that a Communist - not Socialist - PM would be in the shape of Corbyn.
No Contest.
We've had 10 years of Tory Government and in all that time, we've got a Brexit which is still not completed and I honestly ONLY point to that one partial success..... Oh, they're are certainly are always threatening to do something conservative and at the 11th Hour, let the legal process override them, or other useless and spineless activity.. They're even managed a war in Libya, after slating Labour for its interventionist adventures.
I will accept, its no contest when you look at the alternatives. But that is only true when the blackmail at the heart of our democracy, stillworks and frankly I would rather live under a genuine socialism, than the constant disappointment that is the Conservative Party.
The conservatives failure on Covid was in the early days..... Johnson diddled around for months and used the 'following the science' as an excuse, it was clear to me that the country should shut down international travel in January and Leadership listens to advice but acts irrespective of the advice.
He then switched from dither to undemocractic and very european, rather than libertarian acceptance after the early mistakes. So the difference between him and PMTM is marginal at best, but I still think May would have acted sooner, probably in following europe into lockdown.
Portree Kid
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The 1st 5 years was a coalition with some deranged people called the '' Illiberal Undemocrats ''
The 2nd 5 years only lasted until the 2016 Referendum.
After the 2016 Referendum - It is debatable whether we actually had a Government, never mind a Tory Government.
Want to have a rethink of that 10 years of Tory Government ?
So Cameron/May were NOT Conservative Prime Ministers in your eyes ?? I would tend to agree with you.. As neither, were genuine conservatives, as no genuine conservative would have, ever had anything to do with the European Union and I think Thatcher and others, can be forgiven for having only dealt with the Common Market and the difference is fundamental.
I have taken stick for arguing that Boris was at a crossroads, either left/right or straight ahead and continue the populism. As Brexit was implemented and then the Covid distraction we've waited to see exactly what we voted for and I've tried to analyse on an operational level and look ahead.
Summary:-
What I see is a reversion to the worst aspects of Cameron style woke policies and a switch from european to global, which requires attention to detail and Boris was the right man in 2019 and the wrong man in 2021.
Portree Kid
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You're a funny guy. I would posit that they were not even Prime Ministers, never mind Conservative Prime Ministers.
Cameron had 5 years of being bedded to Clegg.
May was nothing more than a lapdog for the EU.
Interesting summary.
I've said it before, but I will say it again.
Good leaders lead by delegating to those beneath them, then letting them get on and do - Johnson does not require to do the detail, he needs to do the oversight, from a safe distance to ensure that he does not stifle.
They are then clinical in making a decisive decision for which they take responsibility - Boris seems to lack that as well judging by his actions in 2020
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Portree Kid
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wetsmonkey
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As a matter of genuine interest, what manifesto points or political ambitions were The Tories unable to achieve due to The Lib Dems?
LeoRoverman
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Er I'm not having that in in context. The reality is that no one realised the gravity or the extent of the problem. Sweden has just publicised similar problems in care homes in relation to access to medical services at the time and an extrapolation would imply that it was pretty similar over all. The WHO and the Chinese in particular (who incidentally have locked down Shanghai Airport)have been far from open. Italy believe the first infections may have happened in early summer 2019 are of a similar opinion. Now Boris is tied to the decision to be led by scientific advice rather than to direct how the medical services should be used, because in fact no one would have been able to do so satisfactorily. Most state leaders have been shown to be somewhat underestimating of the situation.
In part this business is being turned into a publicity stunt about who's got access to what. The EU commission is promising money it hasn't even got because it's budget hasn't even been ratified, meaning that in effect the MS have agreed to pay to independently. Add that to the intransigence of the French-who'se own migration issues are now coming to the fore and actually Boris comes out out of it Averagely well, about on par. Interestingly Euronews last night skirted the question on whether France could be tarred with the same brush as Poland and Hungary in relation to rule of law matters in respect of their police privacy laws, which the EU doesn't approve of.
LeoRoverman
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No you haven't you've had five with five years of compromise. We've still got to unentangle 13 years of Labour.
Portree Kid
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I neither know, nor care.
They were in a coalition with the Lib Dumbs, therefore it was not a Tory Government.
Perhaps a question of genuine interest that you should direct to the Tory Party - They will have a definitive answer.
Alternatively - Pull a 2010 Tory election manifesto from the web - Study it - See if you can come up with an answer that will satisfy your genuine interest.
I gauge something by the bile/anger of the media and Point of Inconvenient Fact:-
We've probably had around 7 months of Conservative Government in 10 Years; the two months leading up to two Cameron/May General Elections and around five months of Boris in the lead up and aftermath of the 2019 General Election, up to the 31st January 2020.
Since 1st Feb 2020 - were back to Cameron style woke politics and the cosy pipe and slippers is back in fashion.
LeoRoverman
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That again is MSM in action. I personally refuse, as a matter of principle to watch anything that is specifically Woke, BLM matters, in fact the television is very nearly permanently off. Even the radio is rarely on, I prefer to play music rather than the inane blathering of the elite. One almost has sympathy for the French revolutionaries against the aristos. But then a certain Campbell has had more than a hand in that.
Bravo_Bravo
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To be fair, the Tories took account of the collation by combining a bit of their parties name, ("Conservative") with a bit of the Lib Dems name ("Party") and the reality was reflected in this new name, the "Conservative Party".
Now the coalition has passed, I gather they've changed their name back.
Aye; you can always gauge the levels of a government that is going native, by the friendliness, or hostility of the media.... I've spotted ian dale and Yasmin Alibhai Brown the other day having nice things to say about Boris in the past week or so and that should be a red flag to people.
I watch the media as background noise, whilst working from home and its been illuminating the level of utter cack it pumps out and demands for conformity (see: BBC on Covid). One imagines Germany has an even more stifling of debate, with one answer to every problem(more europe) and the emphasis/intensity of the answer, is the only acceptable debate.
