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Boris - The Prime Minister

First thoughts on PMBoris, will he make a difference?


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Tool

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Please supply the figures for long-term damage to "recipients" of COVID-19, and how that will feature in the economy in say, 5 and 10 years from now. Deaths is only one aspect of this disease.
 

Wordsmith

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Book Reviewer
They must be really really hysterical in France and nearly as much in Germany right now.

Protecting the vulnerable carries risk for the government - there will be screams from the opposition parties about the level of Covid 19 deaths. Given the fornicate-up the government has made of track and trace and ramping up testing, I expect protecting the vulnerable to be a bit of a fuster cluck in the early weeks.

But for every extra person that dies of Covid 19, there will be 10 or 20 whose jobs are saved by the decision, plus an economy in far better shape than when we go back into lockdown. I suspect those approving of a 'protect the vulnerable' strategy will much outweigh those protesting it.

Plus, my elderly neighbours, mother etc., are taking the attitude that they've had their time and the future belongs to the young. Their attitude is that if we go a few years early, so be it; we've safeguarded the future of the youth of today. Not being of the snowflake generation, they have a far more pragmatic view of life.

A. Hitler Esq, presented a far more deadly threat to them than Covid 19 - and that's the perspective they look at this from.

Wordsmith
 

Wordsmith

LE
Book Reviewer
Please supply the figures for long-term damage to "recipients" of COVID-19, and how that will feature in the economy in say, 5 and 10 years from now. Deaths is only one aspect of this disease.

The blunt answer is we don't know. That there will be some is undeniable.

But you've got to balance those deaths against higher death rates from cancer, etc., due to treatment being partially suspended.

Thee are no easy answers; whatever you do is going to push the death rate up in some demographic or another. But we can't shy away from that - because not to confront it is to do grievous damage to our economy.

And a knackered economy means we can't afford to pay for the NHS, education, etc, going forward. Trying to keep excess deaths down now buggers up our future for the next few decades - because that's how long it's going to take to recover from a trashed economy and a crushing burden of public debt.

Wordsmith
 

Tool

LE
The blunt answer is we don't know. That there will be some is undeniable.

But you've got to balance those deaths against higher death rates from cancer, etc., due to treatment being partially suspended.

Thee are no easy answers; whatever you do is going to push the death rate up in some demographic or another. But we can't shy away from that - because not to confront it is to do grievous damage to our economy.

And a knackered economy means we can't afford to pay for the NHS, education, etc, going forward. Trying to keep excess deaths down now buggers up our future for the next few decades - because that's how long it's going to take to recover from a trashed economy and a crushing burden of public debt.

Wordsmith
I think you're missing my point. The death rate is relatively insignificant - NOW that we know what it is. The NHS is trying to protect the death AGE from dropping into the economically active age group. About 9 months after the outcrop of a completely unknown but expected pandemic, we are still not much closer in knowing the long-term damage of this disease, we are still not able to combat it, we are still not able to prevent its spread.
Mid-March this year I spoke to my GP about non-life-threatening surgery. We discussed a specialist appointment date and possible surgery date. Two weeks later he phoned me. This was when the lock-down was announced. At that point, he basically told me that my surgery would not be done. I pushed him and asked if October would be a likely time to start discussing it again, and he said that it would be postponed indefinitely. Easter time this year the NHS was already sh*tting itself. We're not much closer to a resolution than at that point.

No country is going to recover easily.
 

Auld-Yin

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Kit Reviewer
Book Reviewer
Reviews Editor
The only thing really known about Covid-19, is that nobody really knows anything.

The government are listening to science but the only branch of science that can help in the current stage of the pandemic is the science of epidemiology. Other scientists are working long and hard for a vaccine or other way to kick off this virus but until then the only way to stop spread is to stop people contacting and spreading the virus.

Track and trace is designed to isolate the virus, not cure it. All other efforts currently being taken are for isolation purposes. Until a proper, effective, vaccine is found the isolation it is, at whatever level needed to reduce the spread.

I will not be in the least surprised if we follow Germany and France into greater isolation noting that Spain has declared a national emergency until May 21. Lots more pain in front of us before even look at returning to normality.
 

Tool

LE
Don`t hear much from China these days and their economy is powering ahead

Archie
Who are they going to sell to? Apparently a lot of the Western world's economies are going to be knackered for decades. I don't see figures for COVID-19 rates for Africa, and the Asian market for Chinese goods is not that high.
 

Wordsmith

LE
Book Reviewer
I think you're missing my point. The death rate is relatively insignificant - NOW that we know what it is. The NHS is trying to protect the death AGE from dropping into the economically active age group. About 9 months after the outcrop of a completely unknown but expected pandemic, we are still not much closer in knowing the long-term damage of this disease, we are still not able to combat it, we are still not able to prevent its spread.

We have to take decisions based on what we know now. The economy won't wait for the long term nature of Covid 19 to become clear - it's becoming more of a basket case by the day.

We will destroy hundreds of thousands of jobs within months, and it will take years to recover them.

The evidence thus far is that most people under 75 will not die from the disease - and that a small, but known number will suffer long term effects from it.

What is absolutely guaranteed is another million jobs lost, tens of thousands of small companies going bust and many of our more significant companies turned into zombie companies with a crushing burden of debt they'll struggle under for decades if we go into a prolonged lockdown.

We're looking at a guaranteed f---ed economy versus an uncertain level of future problems from Covid 19.

I retire in 2 /12 years with the house paid for, some hundreds of thousands in the pension pot plus a full state pension. There are plenty of people in their 20's, 30's, 40s and 50's starting at a very uncertain future and the possibility of years of unemployment - and in the case of the over 50's, some never working again.

Wordsmith
 

Brotherton Lad

LE
Kit Reviewer
We have to take decisions based on what we know now. The economy won't wait for the long term nature of Covid 19 to become clear - it's becoming more of a basket case by the day.

We will destroy hundreds of thousands of jobs within months, and it will take years to recover them.

The evidence thus far is that most people under 75 will not die from the disease - and that a small, but known number will suffer long term effects from it.

What is absolutely guaranteed is another million jobs lost, tens of thousands of small companies going bust and many of our more significant companies turned into zombie companies with a crushing burden of debt they'll struggle under for decades if we go into a prolonged lockdown.

We're looking at a guaranteed f---ed economy versus an uncertain level of future problems from Covid 19.

I retire in 2 /12 years with the house paid for, some hundreds of thousands in the pension pot plus a full state pension. There are plenty of people in their 20's, 30's, 40s and 50's starting at a very uncertain future and the possibility of years of unemployment - and in the case of the over 50's, some never working again.

Wordsmith

Yes. Obviously.
 
We have to take decisions based on what we know now. The economy won't wait for the long term nature of Covid 19 to become clear - it's becoming more of a basket case by the day.

What do these 2 know that you obviously have a far better understanding of ?

French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Angela Merkel ordered their countries back into lockdown on Wednesday, as a massive second wave of coronavirus infections threatened to overwhelm Europe before the winter.


Now could you take your Covid Bollox thataway ---------->
 
And onto ignore you go for being putting up posts that are mind numbingly boring and predictable. Whinge away all you like - I won't have to read it any more.

Bye...
Is your ignore list greater than your ’allowed‘ list yet? Is your ‘Show Ignored Post’s' button not worn out?

Whinge away all you like - I won't have to read it any more.
You were/are not compelled to read his (or anybody else’s) posts - you can simply skip past those by authors you don’t care for...

... nobody actually cares that they may be on somebody's ignore list and there really is no need for the grand announcements every five minutes.
 

Brotherton Lad

LE
Kit Reviewer
Is your ignore list greater than your ’allowed‘ list yet? Is your ‘Show Ignored Post’s' button not worn out?


You were/are not compelled to read his (or anybody else’s) posts - you can simply skip past those by authors you don’t care for...

... nobody actually cares that they may be on somebody's ignore list and there really is no need for the grand announcements every five minutes.

I agree. All rather weak.
 

Wordsmith

LE
Book Reviewer
Is your ignore list greater than your ’allowed‘ list yet? Is your ‘Show Ignored Post’s' button not worn out?


You were/are not compelled to read his (or anybody else’s) posts - you can simply skip past those by authors you don’t care for...

... nobody actually cares that they may be on somebody's ignore list and there really is no need for the grand announcements every five minutes.

I do skip past multiple posters - occasionally one exceeds my boredom threshold and they go on ignore. I hope (but don't check) that they stop posting the same predictable crap in response to my posts.

ARRSE is full of posters whom I enjoy reading because they're interesting, insightful or humorous. It's the exceptions to the rule that find themselves on ignore. Life is too short to be sent to sleep by a tedious set of anonymous pixels.

Wordsmith
 

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