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Boris - The Prime Minister

First thoughts on PMBoris, will he make a difference?


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‘Sweden Sweden, Sweden'
What, this Sweden?

The Financial Times said:
The architect of Sweden’s controversial lighter lockdown policy for dealing with coronavirus has for the first time conceded the Scandinavian country should have imposed more restrictions to avoid having such a high death toll.

It goes on to say:
”Mr Tegnell’s admission is striking as for months he has criticised other countries’ lockdowns and insisted that Sweden’s approach was more sustainable despite heavy international scrutiny of its stubbornly high death toll.”​
 

Grownup_Rafbrat

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I would have agreed with you a couple of weeks ago about him and his mojo, andI put that firmly down to his own battle with Covid. Were we not told at the time how each day in intensive care required so many days or even weeks of recovery?

But I thought that he was looking much better during his TV address the other evening so that is a good sign.

I am left wondering, however, where he sees the vital ground? Is it the EU or is it the pandemic? The former sees him on solid ground, over the last few weeks he has seized and maintained the initiative, despite everything including the kitchen sink being thrown at him by Projekt fear, who must by now realise they are drinking at the last chance saloon and even that is closing at 10.

On the face of it he has seemed less steadfast on Covid, and yet we have all witnessed first hand the grim determination of many to trip up the administration in some way or other. Neither has Covid truly revealed itself here or elsewhere. Even now the debate ranges from the thing just being a bad cold to it being the granny killer. Now the yoof who thus far have appeared to have contracted it by the bucket load, and now, confined to halls of residence, are bleating that they only have enough bread and milk to last till monday. Poor dears.

But if we look back to the core message during the last election campaign I have to conclude that it is Brexit that he wants done and I get a strong sense that is what the people who caused him to enter No10 are looking for. The man (and woman and any other gender you care to mention) on the Clapham omnibus now know that Covid is a twat and that their own efforts rather than someone else's, are required to lessen its impact and therefore less of a vote winner or loser.

And if that has occurred to a daft lad from the mountains you can be sure that the grate strategic branes have done the same calculation. The next election will be fought on the ground as it presents itself in 18 months time, not things as they are now. By then, brexit will be done at least presentationally and we will be where we are with Covid. And unless Sir Kier has been working on a wonder cure in the meantime, the Covid response will not feature except in the agitprop of Projekt Boris Grrrr

I'm not entirely convinced that Boris is the prime target. I think a great many in the background are being invited to destabilise his position as a precursor to having another go at removing DC before he upsets the entire CS apple cart with his new-fangled use of calculating engines.
 
My heart agrees but my head wonders whether he has fully recovered from his own episode of Covid, as he seems to have lost his touch lately.

As to the Telegraph, I gave up reading it months ago, as I am fed up with its anti-Boris editorial style and content.
FWIW I only get a Sunday paper for crosswords. It’s perfectly clear to me that underlying the arguments re the EU or Covid that the left desperately need Labour Britain and Democrat America. This is not because of any Socialist motive for benefit to populations. For China to team up with the EU in objecting to Liam Fox as chair of the WTO says it all despite Fox’s foibles. This is about political mantras and norms across the globe which must be socialist. The elites are signed into this as the means of securing their influence,but basically nothing changes.
 
I'm not entirely convinced that Boris is the prime target. I think a great many in the background are being invited to destabilise his position as a precursor to having another go at removing DC before he upsets the entire CS apple cart with his new-fangled use of calculating engines.
There is much to be said for this argument. I don't think the CS have given up on doing their best to destroy the elected government. It first became apparent to me the way they were treating Priti Patel and sabotaging her every move and blaming her for all kinds of shite she would have been entirely reliant on her CS briefings to address. Then there were the high level CS resignations ably broadcast by the BBC. Why that blokes resignation should have been delivered, breathlessly, on live TV outside the Home Office was baffling.
The centre of this is Cummings and they realise that the only sure fire way to get rid is by getting rid of Boris by any means, installing a friendly face and putting the brakes on Brexit by initially kicking the can down the road.
 
It's hilarious.
March 'we must lock down. Why aren't you locking down?'
April 'when will you release lockdown?' 'Sweden Sweden, Sweden'
June 'you released lockdown too early'
August 'schoolchildren must go back. Mental health mental health'
September 'schoolchildren shouldn't have gone back' 'students must go back, mental health '
Now 'students all sick. Let them home for Christmas '

FFS!!!!
Interesting take on Sweden is that in general they decided that they've so much space between individuals they ain't gonna bother. The cities are the communicators of disease by definition, and Sweden doesn't have the number of large cities we have.

It's generally agreed that children are less susceptible to the virus than aged P's at least that what the Scientists say. Student's moderately more so. Nor is it a a 100% killer in the Aged. So it isn't like for like.
 
This really does confuse some...
Much like someone accusing me of being a rat....even though I'd already said ages ago that I could no more vote for a Johnson led government that I could for a Corbyn one.
 
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So answer the question Who has a better one? Because unless there is a better one then ours must be the best.
Now that they've abandoned their original app and adopted the Apple/Google framework it's much better but...they could have had it from the start and not spunked millions on something which didn't work.
 
So answer the question Who has a better one? Because unless there is a better one then ours must be the best.

Germany and South Korea, seem to be the exemplars. Along with a number of other Asian countries such as Singapore.
 
Germany and South Korea, seem to be the exemplars. Along with a number of other Asian countries such as Singapore.
That'll be because they didn't abandon track and trace at the start.
 

Helm

MIA
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Germany and South Korea, seem to be the exemplars. Along with a number of other Asian countries such as Singapore.
uh huh
You will of course be aware that South Korea used already in place systems that monitored the population so it wasn't exactly a new system. Never mind though got your Boris grrr soundbite in.
 
Germany and South Korea, seem to be the exemplars. Along with a number of other Asian countries such as Singapore.
Didn’t Singapore have to rethink their system too as there was something like only 20% of the population downloading the App.

That’ll be world beating then, even if nobody uses it.
 
Didn’t Singapore have to rethink their system too as there was something like only 20% of the population downloading the App.

That’ll be world beating then, even if nobody uses it.
If you download it and get an alert you need to self isolate. Don't download, no alert, no isolation. Simples!
Rates of infection in UK have shot up. We're doing thousands more tests per day, hhhhmmmmm! If they did more IQ tests they'd find that there are a helluva lot of idiots in UK.
 

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