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Boris - The Prime Minister

First thoughts on PMBoris, will he make a difference?


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That's because they follow the Moderators or owners politics.
I don't think the biffster or Charlie boy do follow the owners politics.
 
It isn't Wets - you asked me to prove something. Didn't you? This is basics as @Trackpen has posted.

Have the government proved the T&T is world beating? So world beating that they didn't foresee that a return to school and work could lead to a rise in cases?
I think you may have missed the point of my post.
It is also up to those who want to claim it is not to prove it and enunciate their reasons and proof clearly.
 
I think you may have missed the point of my post.
It is also up to those who want to claim it is not to prove it and enunciate their reasons and proof clearly.
I get how it works, I'd be looking for the person making the initial claim to back it up before responding. As I said, it's just argument by assertion otherwise.

Which is why I'm pretty big on links to sources. And why some people don't like them.
 

Wordsmith

LE
Book Reviewer
BoJo is currently like the curates egg - good in parts.

Brexit he's played a blinder on - and looks fair to drag us out of the EU on terms that are fairly good for the UK.

Covid, he's making a mess of because he seems unable to grasp a number of points:
  • The key thing is to get people to take responsibility for their own actions - which most people will if they can see the government has a sensible exit strategy
  • The precise strategy you follow doesn't matter - the main thing is that people follow a sensible set of rules. Sweden, which didn't go into lockdown and carried on 'business as normal', actually has a lower death rate than many countries that used strict lock down measures.
  • Hence, there is no need for another lockdown. What is needed is for the government to set out a simple, easy to understand Covid 19 mitigation strategy - and then penalise people and businesses that blatantly flout it.
  • I went on a pub crawl on Friday. Al the pubs were observing sensible precautions and so were we. Don't penalise legitimate businesses taking reasonable precautions - take aim at the ones that aren't.
  • His medical advisors are covering their own backsides - they'll advise precautions for a worst case scenario. Then if BoJo does less, they'll claim it's all BoJo's fault. Time to also realise his advisors are not taking major factors like the needs of the economy into account,
  • The economy matters - at all costs it must be kept going, even if it results in higher Covid 19 deaths. See above re sensible rules. There is no need to clamp down on businesses if they follow those rules. I have a simple remedy if a business doesn't follow the rules - I don't buy from them. Businesses that operate in an unsafe manner will soon find they have no customers.
  • Bring the army in to boost testing. As the Telegraph pointed out, they built the Nightingale hospitals rapidly and without problems while the NHS was floundering around with incompetent leadership.
  • And prioritise testing. I follow sensible precautions, work from home and should be low priority. NHS workers, supermarket staff, care home workers and so on who are exposed to far more people should be tested as a priority.
Time for BoJo to fire a lot of his advisors and rely on common sense - not medical 'experts'.

Wordsmith
 
BoJo is currently like the curates egg - good in parts.

Brexit he's played a blinder on - and looks fair to drag us out of the EU on terms that are fairly good for the UK.

Covid, he's making a mess of because he seems unable to grasp a number of points:
  • The key thing is to get people to take responsibility for their own actions - which most people will if they can see the government has a sensible exit strategy
  • The precise strategy you follow doesn't matter - the main thing is that people follow a sensible set of rules. Sweden, which didn't go into lockdown and carried on 'business as normal', actually has a lower death rate than many countries that used strict lock down measures.
  • Hence, there is no need for another lockdown. What is needed is for the government to set out a simple, easy to understand Covid 19 mitigation strategy - and then penalise people and businesses that blatantly flout it.
  • I went on a pub crawl on Friday. Al the pubs were observing sensible precautions and so were we. Don't penalise legitimate businesses taking reasonable precautions - take aim at the ones that aren't.
  • His medical advisors are covering their own backsides - they'll advise precautions for a worst case scenario. Then if BoJo does less, they'll claim it's all BoJo's fault. Time to also realise his advisors are not taking major factors like the needs of the economy into account,
  • The economy matters - at all costs it must be kept going, even if it results in higher Covid 19 deaths. See above re sensible rules. There is no need to clamp down on businesses if they follow those rules. I have a simple remedy if a business doesn't follow the rules - I don't buy from them. Businesses that operate in an unsafe manner will soon find they have no customers.
  • Bring the army in to boost testing. As the Telegraph pointed out, they built the Nightingale hospitals rapidly and without problems while the NHS was floundering around with incompetent leadership.
  • And prioritise testing. I follow sensible precautions, work from home and should be low priority. NHS workers, supermarket staff, care home workers and so on who are exposed to far more people should be tested as a priority.
Time for BoJo to fire a lot of his advisors and rely on common sense - not medical 'experts'.

Wordsmith
Another variation of big boys did it and ran away. We all know where the buck stops. Don't we? It wasn't the NHS who moved my local testing centre to make way for a lorry park was it? And if you care to look closesly you may notice something.

 
About two and a half months ago I received a letter from the Office of National Statistics.

Was I willing to register and take part in a survey.

For 5 week on a Tuesday someone turned up on my door step and asked me age, working status, method of travel to work, age groups and size of "bubbles" I meet with and work with.

Then hands me a swab to self administer, for the first visit I earned £50 in vouchers (Adsa, Sainsbury's Tesco Argos B & Q etc") each subsequent visit £25

After the 5 weekly visits, the frequency is once a month for the next 12 months @£25 a visit

£150 + £275 = £425 for the whole survey participation, nice little earner

If a test proves positive then because it is a survey they will only inform my Doctor if I have a positive result whom in turn would let me know the positive outcome

In the spirit of public service I felt compelled to participate in the survey

Archie
 
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rifleair

War Hero
Basic debating procedure, as learned at school: one side puts forward a viewpoint on a given subject, backed up with reasons for. The other side argues against the proposition, giving their reasons for opposition.
The groundlings listen to both sides, then make up their minds which side they are going to vote for, based on the arguments they have heard.
Absolutely agree, but I'm still waiting for the backing up of the viewpoint with reasons!
 

Truxx

LE
It isn't Wets - you asked me to prove something. Didn't you? This is basics as @Trackpen has posted.

Have the government proved the T&T is world beating? So world beating that they didn't foresee that a return to school and work could lead to a rise in cases?
They did see a rise in cases. I reported that very planning assumption (derived from a conversation with my Cabinet Office son in law) a number of weeks ago.
 

Truxx

LE
And where does it say that it is not NHS? Far from it, your link (I assume you have read it?) continues, repeatedly, to refer to it as the NHS Test Track and Trace system.

Further to the above I also reported some weeks ago a growing split with the NHS HQ. The formation of an entity to sit atop the NHS in relation to Test Track and Trace should not come as a surprise to anyone with a brace of braincells to rub together.
 
They did see a rise in cases. I reported that very planning assumption (derived from a conversation with my Cabinet Office son in law) a number of weeks ago.
So she's telling lies then?

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Coronavirus live - latest news updates: Another 3,899 UK cases reported as rule breakers to face big fines
 
Full time?

You're full time on here mate.

How about you actually earn your coin and do the right thing by your employer.

You have absolutely no idea when and in what circumstances I post on here do you. 8400 posts in 16 years. Keep guessing, it’s obviously bothering you.
 

HCL

Old-Salt
You have absolutely no idea when and in what circumstances I post on here do you. 8400 posts in 16 years. Keep guessing, it’s obviously bothering you.

Thought you'd be a desk jockey at your age?

What was it 24 years as a monkey and 17 as a rozzer? Which would make you about 58/59? Just a little bit too old for blues and two so, yes, that would give all the time in the world to post, when you're not brewing up for the bosses.
 
And where does it say that it is not NHS? Far from it, your link (I assume you have read it?) continues, repeatedly, to refer to it as the NHS Test Track and Trace system.

Further to the above I also reported some weeks ago a growing split with the NHS HQ. The formation of an entity to sit atop the NHS in relation to Test Track and Trace should not come as a surprise to anyone with a brace of braincells to rub together.
Was it the NHS who moved the local testing centre to replace it with a lorry park then? The government has its "Moonshot" sticky little fingers all over this. As you well know.

Having shut down PHE as the convenient scapegoats the government need to look elsewhere for the blame then?
 
Typical sh1t attempt at obfuscation there.

Is or is it not the case that the Test Track and Trace system is the responsibility of the NHS?

Actually don't bother to answer. Its like chatting with a scotch block*









*Google it. You google everything else
Shit attempt at obfuscation? You're the one who said that they knew. Aren't you? Did they or didn't they?
 

ACAB

LE
Full time?

You're full time on here mate.

How about you actually earn your coin and do the right thing by your employer.
That's a no no . He's full time propaganda specialist on here, the cretin...
 
You have absolutely no idea when and in what circumstances I post on here do you.

I have a very good idea of the "when", as every post you have ever made is time-stamped. As for circumstances, it would be a simple matter of correlating time stamp against content (i.e. "at the end of a shift"), to determine a general pattern.

NCA missed a pearler of a candidate in you.

When at work, how about actually focussing on the work you're paid to do.
 
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