Boris - takes no crap from labour MPs

Mr_Fingerz

LE
Book Reviewer
#2
Ensure that TfL could provide a service despite the awful weather.


Edited to add that leaving an enquiry, half way through giving an answer, strikes me as the height of bad manners. (even if he thought that Louise Ellman and her colleagues were politically motivated). As Mayor, he's supposed to be accountable to any number of bodies, whatever their political make-up.

Deciding that you don't like the questions, and therefore won't answer them and then leaving, is akin to saying "It wasn't me, it was a big boy who ran away", it's childish.

Boris know better, and we (the electorate) deserve better.
 

Biped

LE
Book Reviewer
#4
The committee asked Mr Johnson what action he had taken before he was made aware of transport problems on 1 February.

The mayor replied: "I observed that it had started to snow."
The man is brilliant.
 
#6
One would have thought that planning for such an eventuality would have been conducted years ago. Hardly his fault if it wasn't.
 

Mr_Fingerz

LE
Book Reviewer
#7
jew_unit said:
Mr_Fingerz said:
Ensure that TfL could provide a service despite the awful weather.
How's he meant to do that? He's not god, anor can he turn back time and remodel the transport network.
I find that the BBC tend to put on a weather forecast immediately after the news at 1800hrs. BBC says "It's going to snow lots", Cue Boris picking up the phone and asking TfL what are you doing to make sure that people can get to work tomorrow?.

As the meerkat says "Simples tch"
 
#8
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I find that the BBC tend to put on a weather forecast immediately after the news at 1800hrs. BBC says "It's going to snow lots", Cue Boris picking up the phone and asking TfL what are you doing to make sure that people can get to work tomorrow?.

Mr Fingers,
Thing is he's got a staff/department heads who's job is to get the job done - after all a CO doesn't micro-manage his OC's does he? How many CO's/company directors/prime ministers do you know who would get involved at that level?

If his staff thought it was an issue then they should have informed him earlier - surely you don't expect him not to sleep!
 
#9
Mr_Fingerz said:
jew_unit said:
Mr_Fingerz said:
Ensure that TfL could provide a service despite the awful weather.
How's he meant to do that? He's not god, anor can he turn back time and remodel the transport network.
I find that the BBC tend to put on a weather forecast immediately after the news at 1800hrs. BBC says "It's going to snow lots", Cue Boris picking up the phone and asking TfL what are you doing to make sure that people can get to work tomorrow?.

As the meerkat says "Simples tch"
In 1987, the weatherman assured us that there was not going to be any gale force winds.
 

Biped

LE
Book Reviewer
#10
I'm a little disappointed in Boris actually. One of the Labour apparat . . . . employees of TfL said that she had expected the Mayor to have a more hands-on approach to such matters.

I agree. He should have sacked the TfL boss and then gone out there with a bag of salt, a snow shovel and a camera crew - that would have got transport up and running again.
 
#11
headgear said:
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I find that the BBC tend to put on a weather forecast immediately after the news at 1800hrs. BBC says "It's going to snow lots", Cue Boris picking up the phone and asking TfL what are you doing to make sure that people can get to work tomorrow?.

Mr Fingers,
Thing is he's got a staff/department heads who's job is to get the job done - after all a CO doesn't micro-manage his OC's does he? How many CO's/company directors/prime ministers do you know who would get involved at that level?

If his staff thought it was an issue then they should have informed him earlier - surely you don't expect him not to sleep!
My thoughts exactly.

What next? Have Boris manning the Barrier the next time there's a Tidal Surge? Get him out in a hard hat and boots filling in potholes?

I watched the video footage and I'm amazed how restrained he was to be honest, it was blatant political "Tory bashing" by a Liebour committee. It was nothing to do with getting answers or the questions would have been worded and delivered very, very differently.

The standing up an walking out was a perfect example of how to show wannabe bullies the contempt that they deserve
 
#12
Para_medic's bang on. Planning like this must have been done years before allowing for plans just to be dusted off. Now as the man hasn't had the ability to alter the expenditure on cold weather stocks and can't alter the fact of the worst weather in 20 years, I don't see the point of some of the questions. Sad and petty political point scoring.

I do agree with Fingerz though. Boris should have done a lot better at the meeting. He is a good enough debater to have done so. I just wonder if he was briefed up enough to take a more proactive defence. He could have/ should have made them look like prats.

On another point. Is it only London's Major that needs answer in front of a select committee if there is a screw up or is it all elected Majors? I seem to remember than one of the first Majors elected ran, dressed up in a monkey outfit, on a platform of free bananas for schools. Surely that loon would be just as accountable?

edited to add - Hartlepool voted in the monkey. I wonder iff they were trying to tell the politicians something. :D
 
#13
I think Boris knows that he has much more of a mandate than these Labour bastards... Who voted for them to manage london, who even voted for their prime minister? Boris holds the moral high ground and he knows it. Quite right he didn't give them the 'respect' this committee seems to think it deserves.
 

Mr_Fingerz

LE
Book Reviewer
#14
He's a politician in a high profile (elected) job, which he claimed he could do better than his predecessor. That's why he's accountable.

Yes he has people who run bits of his organisation on his behalf, and they are accountable to him. He has people to make sure that stuff happens, he's also supposed to have checks in place to ensure that stuff has actually happened.

You can delgate authority, but you can't delegate responsibility.

He should have had systems in place that would have afforded him confidence that the capital would not grind to a standstill. He didn't, it did. He fcuked up, and he has to carry the can.

BoJo has a great media profile, and I can understand why people like him, but so much of what he promised all that time ago has failed to happen.

And the Darius Guppy thing is waiting to bite his bum as well.

PS. It's Fingerz with a Z
 
#15
If anything one should be directing those questions to the London Emergency Services Liasion Panel and the London Resilience Partnership

http://www.leslp.gov.uk/
http://www.londonprepared.gov.uk/aboutus.jsp

The London Resilience Forum is co-chaired by John Healey, Minister for Local Government, and Tony McNulty, Minister for London and the Olympics, with Boris Johnson, Mayor of London as Deputy Chair.

Boris is always good value for money, he should have just got up and told them to fcuk off

The points raised here are spot on, the mayors job is not to go around phoning people up, getting in the thick of it because that is precisely and exactly what is not needed by the contingency planning teams. Its wooly headed thinking like that really makes well hones plans fall apart at the seams as everyone and his dog think they know what they are talking about and pitch in with their opinions

EDITED TO ADD

The London Resilience Forum is part of the Central Government and is hosted by the Government Office for London

http://www.gos.gov.uk/gol/
 
#16
Mr_Fingerz said:
He's a politician in a high profile (elected) job, which he claimed he could do better than his predecessor. That's why he's accountable.

Yes he has people who run bits of his organisation on his behalf, and they are accountable to him. He has people to make sure that stuff happens, he's also supposed to have checks in place to ensure that stuff has actually happened.

You can delgate authority, but you can't delegate responsibility.

He should have had systems in place that would have afforded him confidence that the capital would not grind to a standstill. He didn't, it did. He fcuked up, and he has to carry the can.

BoJo has a great media profile, and I can understand why people like him, but so much of what he promised all that time ago has failed to happen.

And the Darius Guppy thing is waiting to bite his bum as well.

PS. It's Fingerz with a Z
Which means, I suppose that when the Tories get in after the next election and there is another economic crash a couple of months after they come to power it will all be there fault? I don't think so. Remember we have lefties on this site still whinging about the problems Thatcher causes now.

I dislike both arguments. There has to be a median and some common sense applied.

I don't like anyone being put under the cosh if realistically there was little he could do about the problem. Bad weather, amount of grit required, number of workies needed doing stuff and all the other variables are assessed using some sort of risk management tool and money and effort is then spent to equip the city with an appropriate level of relief function. From the public purse, you don't spend more than required, you spend what is appropriate for your average needs (or another way, a % of threat)

A worst case scenario will overwhelm that av plan and resourcing - it is that simple - no matter how many meetings this committee thinks Boris should have attended before the snow fell.

If they really want to help matters, then they can campaign on his behalf to the Treasury to give him more money to increase the % of threat that can be dealt with by resourcing more staff and more equipment, much of which will lie unused for years between usage.

Bet you the Treasury won't support that. After all, it is not something a Labour administration felt was needed in all the time it ran things, is it?
 
#17
Boris had already told the non gender specific chairperson that he had another engagement, his time at the Committee was limited and that was agreed.

He "walked" because that time was up and they had wasted what time was available asking stupid questions.

The answer simple: Brits, especially dahn Sarf, are crap at doing snow because it is such an infrequent event and always will be. So get over it.
 

Mr_Fingerz

LE
Book Reviewer
#18
I-T-C, if you're asking "Do I think that BoJo failed to do his job?" yes I do.

He, as Mayor, carries the can for all of the fcuk-ups of the Mayor's Office AND TfL. Any responsible organisation in the private, public, or third sectors will have contingency planning in place to make sure that they can meet their statutory/business/charitable objectives. They will periodically review those plane and will test them to makew sure that they do what they are supposed to do.

His job is to make sure that that planning has taken place, and that proper procedures were in place to ensure that in the face of a potential catastrophe normal life could be resumed as quickly as possible. It's also his job to make sure that the lessons from the tests are learned. Clearly, if the exercises took place, lessons had not been learned, and all the evidence points to the Mayors Office being a failing organisation, led by a man who cannot accept legitimate criticism.
 
#19
What a non story.

Labour scumbags try some blatent pointscoring at Bojo's expense,Boris see's right through it (do they really think they are more switched on than he is????) and flicks them the 'V'.

The sooner the tories wage a pogrom on quango's in general (their own as well) the better.And if not we will find a body that will.
 

Mr_Fingerz

LE
Book Reviewer
#20
The Parliamentary Select Committee on Transport isn't a QUANGO (Quasi-Autonomous Non-Governmental Organisation), but rather a big part in the system of checks and balances on our elected "chums".
 

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