Boris Johnson referred again for breaching Covid rules

[WightMivvi]

More a turn of phrase to remind people that the most essential factor in leadership is the opinion of the led.

I’m going to disagree a bit. Opinion is not essential; acceptance and compliance is.

My opinion of May was rather poor, but I accepted her position as the country’s leader and I complied with any laws she bought in.

 

[smartascarrots]

My opinion of May was rather poor, but I accepted her position as the country’s leader and I complied with any laws she bought in.

Had the opportunity arisen, would you have voted for her simply because she was already in post or would you have chosen someone else?

If not, you consented to abide by the rules of the game, not to May leading the country.

As a complete aside, she's a wonderful example of how far systems can stretch right to govern away from the Clapham Omnibus definition of democracy. She gained the PM position with just 166 direct votes, those of the Conservative MPs who supported her in the second ballot of the party leadership contest. None of the other UK voters got a say in whether she could lead the country because that's not the way we do things here and the rules are quite clear.

At least Boris stood in the popularity-by-proxy contest of a general election.

 

[WightMivvi]

Had the opportunity arisen, would you have voted for her simply because she was already in post or would you have chosen someone else?

If not, you consented to abide by the rules of the game, not to May leading the country.

As a complete aside, she's a wonderful example of how far systems can stretch right to govern away from the Clapham Omnibus definition of democracy. She gained the PM position with just 166 direct votes, those of the Conservative MPs who supported her in the second ballot of the party leadership contest. None of the other UK voters got a say in whether she could lead the country because that's not the way we do things here and the rules are quite clear.

At least Boris stood in the popularity-by-proxy contest of a general election.

I would have never voted for her because she would never have stood for election in my constituency. Personally, I’d have preferred Cameron to stay on as I’ve never been happy when PMs are replaced mid-term.

However, I accepted that the system allows that, and that it was correct for me to comply with any laws she got through Parliament. Just like Blair / Brown.

(Maybe it’s the civil servant in me )

 

[Bravo_Bravo]

Blair may have escaped jail after a war crimes conviction at the Hague because no nation had the balls to bring charges against him for war crimes and make it stick, but as our bearded and veily friends say, "Allah is patient!"

Or maybe because he didn't commit any war crimes?

 

[Bravo_Bravo]

Does that apply to people still trying to get him off and pretend it was all fine, move along here?

If you cant put the boot into a disgraced ex PM who can you?

As for the money, he seems obsessed by it so good luck to him. I suspect however that for him it is still a very distant second place to the political “churchill”esque reputation he wanted and the perks of being in power. Compared to the legions of talentless wasters who do seem to coin it, I personally dont begrudge him getting it.

That was indeed outrageous.

There are a lot of Johnson fanbois whose unerring faith in Johnson and mocking of anyone who dared to question his propriety has resulted in them refusing to acknowledge they where duped.

It's quite amusing, really.

 

[Nimbus]

There are a lot of Johnson fanbois whose unerring faith in Johnson and mocking of anyone who dared to question his propriety has resulted in them refusing to acknowledge they where duped.

It's quite amusing, really.

Give him some credit - he’s taking the heat off Margaret Thatcher…

 

[CutLunchCommando]

Had the opportunity arisen, would you have voted for her simply because she was already in post or would you have chosen someone else?

By moving to the constituency she was standing in? Even then how much of a say did her constituents have in whether she ran the country? Your next para shows you know that though

As a complete aside, she's a wonderful example of how far systems can stretch right to govern away from the Clapham Omnibus definition of democracy. She gained the PM position with just 166 direct votes, those of the Conservative MPs who supported her in the second ballot of the party leadership contest. None of the other UK voters got a say in whether she could lead the country because that's not the way we do things here and the rules are quite clear.

At least Boris stood in the popularity-by-proxy contest of a general election.

Its all still representative democracy.

 

[Remaf]

You’re proving my point - no matter what the “who” does, you’ll just condemn them and whatever they do.

That’s just hatred.

Err? The point was whoever you are you dont get off the hook for what you have done.

Seems quite reasonable.

Rhetorical question.

There’s a shortage of rhetoric round here…

Who uses JSP101? From what I could see, it went out of fashion in the early noughties. It was too difficult for graduates who had years of being conditioned to use minimum word counts…

I had a boss recently who informed the team “I loved the older DW standards and am very upset they were thrown out. I expect the team to work to the old ones”. He then reviewed a (pre existing) document of mine red penning it to the hills. Yet not a single comment on the content or message or conclusions. In the end I told him I’d taken the format from our VSO so if it was good enough for them it was good enough for me. His toadying tendency then kicked in and suppressed his obsession with margin and indents. So much for the old ways the fing buffoon.

Had the opportunity arisen, would you have voted for her simply because she was already in post or would you have chosen someone else?

If not, you consented to abide by the rules of the game, not to May leading the country.

As a complete aside, she's a wonderful example of how far systems can stretch right to govern away from the Clapham Omnibus definition of democracy. She gained the PM position with just 166 direct votes, those of the Conservative MPs who supported her in the second ballot of the party leadership contest. None of the other UK voters got a say in whether she could lead the country because that's not the way we do things here and the rules are quite clear.

At least Boris stood in the popularity-by-proxy contest of a general election.

To be fair, May did hold a GE however in early 2017. Less than a year after taking over.

Notably Sunak is not doing that. Clinging on as long as he can. As did Brown.

 

[smartascarrots]

By moving to the constituency she was standing in?

"Had the opportunity arisen." Please do read before responding.

Its all still representative democracy.

The representatives of the people from a single political party decide on behalf of the people who leads the country.

Sounds about right, even if fewer people directly decided that Theresa May should be lead the national government than decided Xi Jinping should.

 

[CutLunchCommando]

"Had the opportunity arisen." Please do read before responding.

So you think asking a rhetorical question means no-one can answer it? Or were you asking a question at all?

 

[smartascarrots]

So you think asking a rhetorical question means no-one can answer it? Or were you asking a question at all?

The question mark at the end gave it away, didn't it?

The poster concerned stated that he hadn't wanted May but was content to live under her government, which didn't explain their preference precisely enough. I wanted to know what they would have done had they had the chance to vote for her. Although they didn't directly address the question itself, they did respond to the principle of it and I was quite content with their response.

 

[CutLunchCommando]

The question mark at the end gave it away, didn't it?

The poster concerned stated that he hadn't wanted May but was content to live under her government, which didn't explain their preference precisely enough. I wanted to know what they would have done had they had the chance to vote for her. Although they didn't directly address the question itself, they did respond to the principle of it and I was quite content with their response.

I know, I read it. I had questions of my own.

 

[Bravo_Bravo]

Good news fanbois, Nads has revealed all about the horrible plot to remove that paragon of probity and virtue, Boris.

The Plot: The Political Assassination of Boris Johnson by Nadine Dorries review – the treachery of ‘Oddjob’, ‘The Wolf’ and ‘Dr No’

The former PM’s biggest fan pins the blame for his downfall on a group of Bond-like Baddies known as The Movement in a pyramid of piffle acclaimed by David Icke

www.theguardian.com

 

[wetsmonkey]

From the reporting of The Covid Inquiry yesterday, it would appear that Bozo’s supposed huge intellect/education, which takes the form of Greek and Roman fairy tales, wasn’t sufficient or appropriate for understanding or retaining enough scientific knowledge to be of any use to the country in a crisis. Embarrassing.

Who would have thought.

 

[smartascarrots]

Who would have thought.

Anyone who'd met him in passing?

For the record, I have - at an event on Lord Glasgow's estate near my family home. He came across as unjustifiably pleased with himself and was an utter arse to the waiting staff.