Boris Johnson - Liar?

We're still well above 60% for GEs, though at pretty much a historical low point, with only the 1918 election scoring lower & that with many voters being overseas.
Problems will start when, not if it falls below 50%, IMO a distinct possibility should we have a GE this year.

Do you think we'd have a low turn out? You might be right...


I can see the "despair and exasperation" argument for that, but in the other hand, I bet the Party Machines would glow red hot to get the vote out with so much at stake.

Dunno. Wouldn't put a tenner on either to be honest.
 
Do you think we'd have a low turn out? You might be right...


I can see the "despair and exasperation" argument for that, but in the other hand, I bet the Party Machines would glow red hot to get the vote out with so much at stake.

Dunno. Wouldn't put a tenner on either to be honest.
I know we have a low turnout & low voter motivation. It's a pretty plain signal when four out of ten eligible voters don't consider the future direction of their nation worth a few minutes of their time, once every five years.
Heck; there was a better turnout for the EU referendum at 72.2%, despite EU election turnout being at an all time low of 43% the last twice. In 1979 it was bad enough at 62%.
FPTP has a lot of the blame for this, as many people don't see the 2 main parties representing their viewpoint in any way whatsoever & voting for the party you despise least is hardly an inspiring thought.
Get 1st AV introduced & at least the majority will feel they have some stake in who their MP is.
 
I know we have a low turnout & low voter motivation. It's a pretty plain signal when four out of ten eligible voters don't consider the future direction of their nation worth a few minutes of their time, once every five years.
Y'know, when you put it like that... yeah.

Heck; there was a better turnout for the EU referendum at 72.2%, despite EU election turnout being at an all time low of 43% the last twice. In 1979 it was bad enough at 62%.
FPTP has a lot of the blame for this, as many people don't see the 2 main parties representing their viewpoint in any way whatsoever & voting for the party you despise least is hardly an inspiring thought.
Get 1st AV introduced & at least the majority will feel they have some stake in who their MP is.
Absolutely, 100%, could not even begin to agree more. We need a form of PR.


As you may have noticed, I think UKIP and all it stands for are just plain wrong- but they got approximately, what was it, 10% of the vote a GE or two ago, receiving 1/650th of the seats.

Similar problems for the Newt-worshipping tre huggers.

It just ain't right.

It's another thing too-the Opposition are treated with jeering contempt by whoever's in Government, and the Opposition treat the Government as barely sentient, immoral criminals.

Those who have views they partly see agreed with by the other side are further turned off by this all or nothing tribalism.


....what do you think about voting remotely (app or whatever)?
 
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....what do you think about voting remotely (app or whatever)?
Sounds like extra complexity and the potential for serious 'irregularities'.


Much concern over postal votes being open to abuse.

Imagine if you will an abusive partner or family member bullying a weaker partner to vote for their party of choice whilst the abuser stands over them whilst they vote through an app on their electronic advice.

In short, an app would remove the privacy of the act of voting. That's not even getting into hacking risks
 
Sounds like extra complexity and the potential for serious 'irregularities'.


Much concern over postal votes being open to abuse.

Imagine if you will an abusive partner or family member bullying a weaker partner to vote for their party of choice whilst the abuser stands over them whilst they vote through an app on their electronic advice.

In short, an app would remove the privacy of the act of voting. That's not even getting into hacking risks
I think I broadly agree, but if some little clever clogs comes up with ways to encourage more voting I'm all for it.
 
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Daily Telegraph forced to correct false Brexit claim by Boris Johnson

The Daily Telegraph has been forced to correct a column by Boris Johnson after the Brexiter MP and potential Tory leadership candidate falsely claimed a no-deal Brexit was the most popular option among the British public.

The claim was made in a column (£) published in January but has since been removed from the online version after a complaint by a member of the public to the press regulator Ipso.
 
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Daily Telegraph forced to correct false Brexit claim by Boris Johnson

The Daily Telegraph has been forced to correct a column by Boris Johnson after the Brexiter MP and potential Tory leadership candidate falsely claimed a no-deal Brexit was the most popular option among the British public.

The claim was made in a column (£) published in January but has since been removed from the online version after a complaint by a member of the public to the press regulator Ipso.
Not a lie as such just a statement that would be very difficult to prove. A bit like JC's claim that the railways will work better if they are nationalized.
 

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Not a lie as such just a statement that would be very difficult to prove. A bit like JC's claim that the railways will work better if they are nationalized.
Baglock hasn't read the article as the word lie doesn't appear in it, almost as if Baglock was the one making things up really
 
Baglock hasn't read the article as the word lie doesn't appear in it, almost as if Baglock was the one making things up really
When is lying not lying; when it's a 'significant inaccuracy', so a bit like HRC's 'misspoke'?

'IPSO ruled Johnson had breached Clause 1 (accuracy) of the Editors’ Code of the Practice by failing to take care over the accuracy of his claims.

“The publication had not provided any data which supported the author’s claim either that a no-deal Brexit was the option preferred ‘by some margin’ over the three options listed, or that these represented ‘…all of the options suggested by pollsters’,” IPSO said.

“Instead it had construed the polls as signalling support for a no deal, when in fact, this was the result of the publication either amalgamating several findings together, or interpreting an option beyond what was set out by the poll as being a finding in support of a no deal Brexit.”

IPSO added: “The reference to the polling was not material to the author’s polemical argument. However, it was a significant inaccuracy, because it misrepresented polling information.”


Boris Johnson Telegraph column's no-deal Brexit popularity claim 'inaccurate'
 

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When is lying not lying; when it's a 'significant inaccuracy', so a bit like HRC's 'misspoke'?

'IPSO ruled Johnson had breached Clause 1 (accuracy) of the Editors’ Code of the Practice by failing to take care over the accuracy of his claims.

“The publication had not provided any data which supported the author’s claim either that a no-deal Brexit was the option preferred ‘by some margin’ over the three options listed, or that these represented ‘…all of the options suggested by pollsters’,” IPSO said.

“Instead it had construed the polls as signalling support for a no deal, when in fact, this was the result of the publication either amalgamating several findings together, or interpreting an option beyond what was set out by the poll as being a finding in support of a no deal Brexit.”

IPSO added: “The reference to the polling was not material to the author’s polemical argument. However, it was a significant inaccuracy, because it misrepresented polling information.”


Boris Johnson Telegraph column's no-deal Brexit popularity claim 'inaccurate'
Shame you left out this bit in your righteous fury. Newspaper removes claim but defends MP saying his piece ‘could not be reasonably read as a serious, in-depth analysis’ which puts a whole different complexion on it. Did you perhaps miss speak too?
 
Shame you left out this bit in your righteous fury. Newspaper removes claim but defends MP saying his piece ‘could not be reasonably read as a serious, in-depth analysis’ which puts a whole different complexion on it. Did you perhaps miss speak too?
I much preferred the DT's other description, which pretty much covers anything from BoJo.

'The newspaper also told IPSO Johnson was “entitled to make sweeping generalisations based on his opinions and that the complainant had misconstrued the purpose of the article – it was clearly comically polemical, and could not be reasonably read as a serious, empirical, in-depth analysis of hard factual matters”.'

Boris Johnson Telegraph column's no-deal Brexit popularity claim 'inaccurate'
 
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Shame you left out this bit in your righteous fury. Newspaper removes claim but defends MP saying his piece ‘could not be reasonably read as a serious, in-depth analysis’ which puts a whole different complexion on it. Did you perhaps miss speak too?
There's plenty on here that hold Boris up as a potential future PM.

The Telegraph is his main platform to lay out his political views and thoughts on the way ahead. Many on here cite his column as serious political commentary

Are we to now think that his column is an irreverent joke piece?
 
Shame you left out this bit in your righteous fury. Newspaper removes claim but defends MP saying his piece ‘could not be reasonably read as a serious, in-depth analysis’ which puts a whole different complexion on it. Did you perhaps miss speak too?
So it's OK to tell fibs if you're not serious about them?
 
There's plenty on here that hold Boris up as a potential future PM.

The Telegraph is his main platform to lay out his political views and thoughts on the way ahead. Many on here cite his column as serious political commentary

Are we to now think that his column is an irreverent joke piece?
Congrats on finally learning that trick of spontaneously dislocating your jawbone.

Now you really will be able to properly swallow any old cock, nuts and all.
 
Definite liar. As held by the ISPO

Daily Telegraph forced to correct false Brexit claim by Boris Johnson

The Daily Telegraph has been forced to correct a column by Boris Johnson after the Brexiter MP and potential Tory leadership candidate falsely claimed a no-deal Brexit was the most popular option among the British public.

The claim was made in a column (£) published in January but has since been removed from the online version after a complaint by a member of the public to the press regulator Ipso.
Looks like IPSO is mistaken on this point, as they ignored opinions poll just before Boris wrote his column, like this BBC one from that notable hot bed of remainers...

 
Boris has a specific talent - easy self deception. So technically he is not a liar because Boris sincerely believes own fantasies.
 
Bagl0ck has a specific talent - easy self deception. So technically he is not a liar because Bagl0ck sincerely believes own fantasies.
FTFY
 
There's plenty on here that hold Boris up as a potential future PM.

The Telegraph is his main platform to lay out his political views and thoughts on the way ahead. Many on here cite his column as serious political commentary

Are we to now think that his column is an irreverent joke piece?

Sweet Jesus, please no.
 

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