Bonfire of the Quangos

#2
We managed before all these Quangos were constructed didn't we? Burn 'em I say! Burn 'em! That way we are sure to get the witches as well! (Apart from those which can float on water, or weigh the same as a duck!)
 
#5
shagnasty said:
We managed before all these Quangos were constructed didn't we? Burn 'em I say! Burn 'em! That way we are sure to get the witches as well! (Apart from those which can float on water, or weigh the same as a duck!)
Some of these exist as Quangos because they used to be civil servants.

Once upon a time councils built houising for the poor. Thanks to Maggie Thatcher wantign a society of homeopwners we now have the Housing Corporation to manasge social housing. Bin the Housing corporation and there will be a few cardboard cities.

Bin Englush Heritage and we lose the organisation that ;looks after the heritage assets from architecture to battlefields and castles. They used to be the department of works. Besides the aesthetics value, these are some of the thiungs that people spend money visitign Britian to see. Ditto Natural England and the British Museum

Without the Arts council there weould be fewer arts performeed across the country.

The biggets waste are the quangoes set up to manage artifical m,arkets thanks to the craze for priatisation.

We only need the educational quangoes because of the pretence that parents want to be able to choose theior cschools - one of the biggest political lies around.

We have the medical quangoes because of the attempts to produce a health market in the NHS.

The real costs lie in the money syphoned off from the public purse to the private.through one sided contracts. PFI deals of which the MOD has plenty. Money for rail companies not to run trains.

Quangos are a diversion.
 
#6
Yes, but you are putting patient care ahead of targets. Without the PCT laying down Service Level Agreements how could clinical delivery be measured? That means we meed Level 6 admins to measure our performance. Then level 8s to confirm those findings.
 
#7
From my perspective - We attend a patient in target of 8 mins and we meet target but they die - we meet target. We attend a patient outside of 8 minutes but they live - fail to meet target.
 
#9
I think it's going to be like a lot of things when dealing with government with some of them good and some of them bad. Do a thorough review to find the decent ones to keep, see which if any of them might be scaled back to their core remit or possibly merged with similar ones, and bin the rest.
 
#11
IIRC isn't something like three quarters of that spent by NHS related quangos? I could have sworn I read that in an article but I can't for the life of me track it down now.
 
#12
'Bonfire', 'Krakatoa', 'Blitz', whatever is the means there MUST be a serious cull of these organisations.

Who will be brave enough to start the dismantling? The coalition government?

Of equal urgency and importance is the rapid removal of all the Labour appointees - appointed to toe the Labour political line.
 
#15
Pteranadon said:
We only need the educational quangoes because of the pretence that parents want to be able to choose theior cschools - one of the biggest political lies around.
Or to get round state education not doing what it's supposed to do because it's been hijacked by various left wing groups using it to promote their own agenda?

You can read between the lines on some aspects of this - the grant maintained schools for example
 
#16
jarrod248 said:
supermatelot said:
Jarrod, realistically ...could this happen?
That is what used to happen, why not. The amount of staff in PCT's is due to money changing hands. Years ago people were paid and worked and all these charges going from one unit to another didn't happen.
Get rid of private contractors in the NHS, get rid of bed managers, get rid of boards of directors and get back to what we used to have.
I bet if I was put in charge of any PCT I could save at least £1m
Yep. As I've posted elsewhere either the PCT tier or the SHA level could go as all they seem to do is filter information between hospitals & the DoH. Of course both SHAs & PCTs have Directors, so with directors come Business Managers, PAs, Director salaries, Director bonuses, Director pensions & the list goes on.

The strange thing is that while they are very keen on their status I don't see a lot of actual directing going on. I've had things sent back to me as being too insignificant to be signed by a particular person where more time was spent on refusing than signing the fecking thing. I've also had the sole person with authority in the building refuse to sign something because they were "in a tizzy" leading to a GP receiving no salary for a month.

Another good example is a recent strategy that has been funded in the NHS. In my PCT that immediately led to setting up a new unit of middle ranking to senior managers to decide how the money was spent. Hey presto it's been spent on salaries & "awaydays" for planning.

Another good example is a task which I was dealing with the other week. Fourteen emails were exchanged between six members of staff in Bands 5-6 & myself at a cost of how much in terms of time & money (my services don't come cheap). What was the task? To transfer the cost of £6.56 worth of stock between two cost centres in the PCT.

The only problem with getting rid of these tiers is that I would most likely become unemployed as my contracting/consultancy services would no longer be required...
 
#18
Isn't the welfare bill something like 200bil per year? Make's the quangos look like a drop in the water, I take it they are going to get rid of the 'gold plated pensions too'?

They will probably cut public sector 'workers' pay, knowing that they will be too busy working, to protest and kick up a stink, partly the reason they are not wanting to touch welfare i reckon.
 
#19
Forgot to add, tax revenue is something like 400bil, we are spending 600bil, BUT, is that taking into account the fines? Parking tickets, Coppers issuing fines (getting in trouble if they don't issue many) now that money is involved, it's gonna be hard to remove something like that.
 
#20
lsquared said:
'Bonfire', 'Krakatoa', 'Blitz', whatever is the means there MUST be a serious cull of these organisations.

Who will be brave enough to start the dismantling? The coalition government?

Of equal urgency and importance is the rapid removal of all the Labour appointees - appointed to toe the Labour political line.
ACPO and Sir Jock Strap will be bricking it then!
 

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