Bomb Disposal Specialist

Discussion in 'Sappers' started by luke, Apr 14, 2006.

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  1. Soon I will be taking the Ammo Tech Selection Board; I am told it is pretty tough, so I am considering Combat Engineer as an alternative, should I fail the selection for AT.

    What is the likelihood of being able to specialise in Bomb Disposal, is the intake quite large, or is it as small as the intake for ammo tech? how long would it be to reach Bomb Disposal Specialist, since I will have training as Combat Engineer and then 'Tradesman' training to complete first, would I have to wait a few years before trying to specialise as a Bomb Disposal Specialist?

    Are specialists chosen on merit? length of service? qualifications?

    Lots of questions I know, any help would be great!
  2. Well if you go into the board showing an un-natural eagerness to play with explosives you haven't got a hope in hell's chance. They are looking at your mental stability as anything else. As for specializing EOD? You'll have to resign yourself to 90% of your time counting bullets and stenciling ammo boxes. Once you do get to a posting where you can fulfill you'r dream of being a BDH, you'll spend 99% of your time not being a BDH.

    If you are looking for excitement.... there are other more exciting options.... like clerk or storeman.
  3. Everybody in the Engrs less the band has to do class 3 combat engineer training. This includes basic field engineering (learning knots, how to use power tools etc), basic construction techniques (basic concreteing, carpentry etc), water supply, equipment bridging, non equipment bridging, demolitions, mines, basic radio use (very basic!!) and roads and airfields (laying matting, culverts etc). Once you have passed this you will either go to Chatham to do your chosen trade or if there is a long wait for your course you will go to your unit. You put in a preference of posting whilst in training and after that it is all down to records. You aren't definatly going to get what you want unfortuantly. EOD is no longer a stand alone trade in the the Corps however once EOD trained you end up going back there quite often. I don't know the different squadrons and their roles less 22 HQ Sqn which provide the plant support (the only reason I know this is because I'm a plantie), 33 EOD Regt's website should provide quite a lot of information for you.
    Having met some ammo techs and talked to them it might not be the best career choice depending on what you want to do. It's not all dealing with devices. Do you want to be posted into an ammo depot making sure explosive charges are wrapped in grease proof paper? (we had to put up with having our charges inspected by an ammo tech whilst in Canada doing battle simulations. Fair enough if we were a bunch of sprogs but everybody was a minimum of class one combat engineer trained, we had 6 guys who had done the battle noise supervisors course as well so honestly we weren't p155ed off to have our worked checked by some guy straight out of training.)
  4. Check your PMs Luke...
  5. Luke

    First, good luck on AT selection. Aim high.
    Second. Note that you are on the Sapper forum and the opinion offered is of the negative parts of being an AT. My experience is that good, capable JNCOs who have an aptitude for working in 11 EOD Regt WILL spend most of their time in the EOD/ IEDD arena. There is no shortage of opportunity or work, you need to be able to do the 'BDH' bit. As for stencilling ammo boxes, checking greaseprrof paper etc. Yes, there is a bit of that as a JNCO while you learn all aspects of the ammunition business. But not a lot.

    Once you become a SNCO (after a few short years) if you are any good then it is all devices, if that is your wish. You will work alongside 33 Engr Regt (EOD) who are generally good news - but they are not trained as ATs so are not the same. They are v good at what they do, but as any of them would tell you, do not do as much IEDD as an AT.
  6. Firstly I am not in the Royal Engineers.

    The response is typical of that offered by someone who is in the RLC (no offence intended, I do not know whether you are or not, and I accept that you may not be).

    There is/has been/ wll continue to be *Delete as appropriate, a slagging match between the RE BDO and the RLC AT.

    The RLC AT is the ammunition expert (this is not a slur on the RE given that they have to demonstrate "expertness" if there is such a word, nonethless there are those who will think that it is), whereas the RE BDO is an ammunition user (this is not a slur on the RLC AT who also uses ammunition etc etc).

    You will have to spend time as an RLC AT counting bullets, painting boxes, greasing fuze threads, writing reports, cleaining rusty mortar bombs and all other manner of not very interesting tasks. There is scope for IEDD if you can make the grade, however, whether you make the grade or not - the backbone of your trade revolves around the maintenance, serviceability and storage of ammunition and ammunition natures.

    The RE BDO does all manner of ammunition related tasks, none of which include advising on the storage and maintenance of ammunition and explosives.

    If you do not want to be concerned with the administrative procedures associated with storage, movement and transport of ammunition and explosives (you will not be concerend with IEDD decision making until you are at least a Sgt), then do not apply for the AT CEG.

    Bullet stacking is the rocket doctors bread and butter, if you want to work with explosives but don't want to stack them, then join the RE.
  7. Informed, objective and as good a summing up as I've heard for a long time. Nice one, Sammy.
  8. Very true, so I'll declare an interest. For those who may not know, Iam an RLC AT. I'm not here to launch into a slagging match though. Sammy's post is largely on the ball, but could be fine tuned, I feel.

    This is perfectly true, and it is this backbone that informs the EOD function. When I qualified as a baby AT I spent 3 1/2 years at Kineton doing just the stuff listed above. However, these days, a newly qualified AT will either go straight to 11 EOD Regt as a No 2, or may still get a depot post - Kineton (the other depots have closed or are largely civilianised). Those that do go to Kineton tend not to spend very long there. Personally, I see it as serving an apprenticeship, but thats by the by.

    Also true, but nearly every AT JNCO will deploy to Telic, Herrick or Banner - or all three - as an IEDD team No 2. Very few fail the No 2's course so making the grade there isn't that big an issue. Making the grade as an operator is more of an issue, especially at the high threat level and there is something of a dichotomy in the trade between "those who can" and "those who can't". For my part, I have served only in EOD units and roles since leaving Kineton 10 years ago and that is fairly typical for "those who can".

    Again true but you could also say the same about BDOs, DSO etc. However, on current reckoning, if he has any nous about him, he will make Sgt quicker in the AT trade than almost anywhere else in the army. The trade is most heavily undermanned in the Sgt/SSgt ranks. These are the key working ranks for an AT and the slots need filling.

    Not really fair. We do inspect and advise on storage but we don't stack it. Thats what ammunition storemen do.

    The bottom line is that in either corps he will be doing other stuff before he gets to do any EOD or blowing things up (by which I mean making the decisions) and he will probably spend time doing other stuff in between the EOD tours. Pays your money, takes your choice.
  9. you are a lad with hi ambitions aren't you!! lol

    why don't you get a trade and ask to go to 33 wimbish (you'll regret being in the arrse end of nowhere) then when you are there you can be a bomb disposal expert just like in the movies!!
  10. LMAO :lol: :lol:

    Arrse end of nowhere and all the locals hate you - deep joy :)

    You'll end up there every other posting and when you're there it's like Colditz - everyone spends most of their time planning how to escape :lol: Shame they just can't move somewhere decent then people would want to go back there.
  11. Go 49 at 33 and be a super sapper!
  12. Technically, slightly incorrect. The Supplier is the man who stacks the boxes. The AT will inspect the contents.

    Luke, SRB is a little out of date too. From now, upon successful completeion of the AT course, you will wait 3 years prior to attempting your class 1 upgrade. In that time, you will spend 1 1/2 years at the depot learning your trade, and 1 1/2 years with 11 EOD Regt doing EOD, exercises, op tours etc. This is being brought in to provide a greater wealth of experience to benefit you in promotion to Sgt.

    Not wishing to start a sl@gging match, but these checks are put in place because mistakes are made and people injured. I'm sure Mrs Smith would rather little Jonny come home intact and have had you put out for an hour rather than visit him in hospital; and the guy inspecting might be young and lack people skills, but he has probably proven himself in a number of fields including CMD, BCMD, IEDD and ammunition inspection, maintenance and repair.

    Regardless, Luke, aim high and put the effort in. If you think before you answer a question on your pre-select then you should be fine, and after that put the work in for the length of the course, its not too hard as people pass . If you have any serious doubts PM me.
  13. All that was put in the bunker were lengths of black and tan cut the correct length with contectins prepared for ISFEs to be fitted. No dets or det chord were attached at this stage. Hardly the most dangerous set up going, or beyond what a guy straight out of class 3 combat engineer training could put together.
  14. So why did he have to look at them then? I'd guess that the AT probably thought that it was a waste of his time too.
  15. Just being pedantic, one of the guys was there the year before and he said that the same was happening. Don't know why, I'm sure there is a reason. He was very worried about RF hazard, if an RF signal can get through into an ammo bunker you've got problems anyway.