Bolt on Armour

#1
I'm after any details, you can give, on the bolt-on armour for the CR2 that appeared on Telic.

I'll take any info you've got.

I'm also like to know if anyone has got any pictures of Dents in CR2's caused by enemy fire.

Many thanks.
 
#2
It's still classified mate - try again in 30 years :) If the pictures aren't on the MoD site or standard media sites, again, they are classified.
 
#3
Nige said:
If the pictures aren't on the MoD site or standard media sites, again, they are classified.
Heh the one i'm thinking of was on a BBC news report. The unexploded RPG still in side of the armour plate.. 8O

Oh and thanks for the info.
 
#4
Nige said:
It's still classified mate - try again in 30 years :) If the pictures aren't on the MoD site or standard media sites, again, they are classified.
You are of course joking? Buy a copy of Jane's Armoured Fighting Vehicles!

You will also find some pictures and details in the following National Audit Office report:

http://www.nao.org.uk/publications/nao_reports/03-04/030460.pdf

It is tax payers money you know!! OpSec only goes so far.......
 
#5
Listy,

Why on earth do you want to know this? You're the biggest Walt ever.

Now Double Away. :D

Your Best Man to be.
 
#7
Listy said:
StabTiffy2B said:
Why on earth do you want to know this? You're the biggest Walt ever.
Not a walt, it's for high tech stuff you wouldn't understand, a PC game.
Hmm doesn't that make you a "virtual Walt" indulging in paintball for slobs. Unless you are designing the game...
 
#8
Sort of.

I'm trying to convince the desginers that they've got some stuff wrong, and I've provided picys of the armour, but now they want details.
 
#9
What kind of details?

You should probably be able to estimate size from open-source photos.

Any information on performance is strickly verbotten - I'm sure I don't need to start harping on about Special Armour Security Instructions!
 
#10
slightly off topic but re armour security i remember stagging on outside the bar round the corner from 16 tanks on the fally/hohne range road following a rather comical muff coupling incident that left the building held up by a cr 1 and several good views of the armour(turret and hull now openly on view)
still made it into the cafe fox for birthday drinks.
 
#11
mike 2817:

That's a pretty good list of 'standard media sources' there mate.
Picture in general are not classified, it is what the picture shows that may be.

Perhaps a little more time reading and then understanding before posting the blinding obvious eh ;)

Listy,
Please be careful what info you give them, a game is a game, is it worth risking soldier's lives (or a prison sentence for you)?
Ask your Security Officer (Adj?) before you go sending stuff like that to civvies.
 
#12
Listy said:
StabTiffy2B said:
Why on earth do you want to know this? You're the biggest Walt ever.
Not a walt, it's for high tech stuff you wouldn't understand, a PC game.
Listy said:
Sort of. I'm trying to convince the desginers that they've got some stuff wrong, and I've provided picys of the armour, but now they want details.
I won't go into details, but on another forum I'm forever being pm'd with similar requests from junior walts who think virtual wargames are the beez neez. I get requests like; "I'm playing game XYZ and I've found the computer gives me the same 'kill factor' for an RPG round as a hellfire. Can you give me some precise info so I can amend the program to be more 'realistic'." Blah, blah, and more blah. My standard response is: "If you want realism, get of your far arrses and join the army and go to (real) war!"

Here's a genuine posting from one of the sites:-
source XYZ said:
Another one between me and *** is over:
Time: 1984
*** is West Germany and assaulting
*** is East Germany and defending
Result: I (***) gave up.
This one went wrong from the very beginning. I bought 10 Leopard2's hoping its Chobham armor will protect me from most of EG weapons. Hope is a bad friend in war, I tought, as crappy At2 from sixties penetrated my front armor. Later I got killed by 73mm recoliess a few times. This morning 57mm AAA killed another Leopard2 and that was it, I am pretty tolerant person, but I can't take this anymore
... response ...
source XYZ said:
well, here's a list of the hits that caused damage by my forces:
Leopard 2A1 -- AT-2 Falanga-M1 ----------- Mi-8TB -- Front Hull
I-Hawk -------- 57mm unguided Rockets -- Mi-8TB --
Leopard 2A1 -- AT-2 Falanga-M1 ----------- Mi-8TB -- Side Hull
Tornado IDS -- SA-7 ------------------------- Fasta-4 Truck -- Shut Down
Tornado IDS -- 57mm ----------------------- S-60 AAA -- Damaged
Leopard 2A1 -- 73mm ----------------------- SPG-9 -- Side Hull
Leopard 2A1 -- AT-2 Falanga-M1 ----------- Mi-8TB -- Side Turret
Leopard 2A1 -- 73mm ----------------------- SPG-9 -- Side Turret
Leopard 2A1 -- AT-2 Falanga-M1 ----------- Mi-8TB -- Side Turret

*** has just reported a 57mm S-60 destroyed one of his Leopard 2A1s and that should be either a side hull hit or a rear hull hit, mind you; his tanks had their backs exposed!

the Falanga-M1 has a 65 HEAT penetration rate in this game while the Leopard 2A1 is rated at 52 HEAT for the front hull and 82 for the front turret.
... and the response from the 'opponent was ...
source XYZ said:
Doesn't really matter. If his AAA kills my tanks and my AAA can't even damage his helicopters 3 times I don't have what to do in that game...
... which then elicited ...
source XYZ said:
oh come on ***, you don't compare 57mm AAA to 20mm AAA ... not to mention that you "shot down" my Mi-2 while it was landed on a roof top.
I believe hardcore players like us should have a word or two with the makers of this game, what do you think?.
... and finally ...
source XYZ said:
I am not comparing 57mm and 20mm, all what I am trying to say is when 20mm hits Mi8 I expect (with full right I believe) it to be at least damaged. When me and *** played our first game (NK vs USA), he complained his 57mm recoiless can't do anything againist my JSIIM's and now my Leopard 2 is dead by no less than AAA in that caliber, ridiculous.
I am not upset because of you ***, but because every time I set up some serious SPMBT game I encounter stuff that defy logic. Here can't everything be explained by numbers, for example helicopters invulnerable to manpads and similair.
Speaking to developers is reasonable idea but I don't think they are about to do anything because of two of us...
So there you have it. A Serb in Belgrade and a Syrian in Damascus discussing their little war - East v West Germany!!!!!!!! Pretty serious about it too!!!!
Asking for details about CR2 armour is simply a wheez to try and 're-progam' a game to someone's advantage. Don't get caught up in some teenage fantasy by providing info to 'convince' a slightly older game-writer to change the coding. Let 'em get wound up!!!!

regards
merkator
 
#13
Nige said:
Listy,
Please be careful what info you give them, a game is a game, is it worth risking soldier's lives (or a prison sentence for you)?
HA! I'm not that stupid. I may be young (Service wise), but I've never been that dumb.

Stuff the dwsginers where after was: Number of units issued, wether it was a desert only mod, What's the armour called, etc. Boreing, non-restricted stuff like that (IIRC: One of the desginers is Ex-army).

What they decided on, was modeling it the same as the CR1 bolt on armour.

At the moment I'm trying to get them to come around to what I belive (maybe wrongly) the UK army list should look like. One thing they've missed out on is the Land rover's with top cover. Any details on them? they're lightly armoured aren't they?
 
#14
You can buy some pretty accurate 1:35 scale models of Warrior with Special applique armour packs - I think the museum shop at Bovvy even sells them.

They first appeared during Granby, but given that you've seen them on the telly in Bos, its pretty safe to say that they're not a desert-only mod.
 
#15
Listy said:
Sort of.

I'm trying to convince the desginers that they've got some stuff wrong, and I've provided picys of the armour, but now they want details.
What game is it mate? I assume its for a mod team?
 
#16
Nige said:
mike 2817:

That's a pretty good list of 'standard media sources' there mate.
Picture in general are not classified, it is what the picture shows that may be.

Perhaps a little more time reading and then understanding before posting the blinding obvious eh ;)

Listy,
Please be careful what info you give them, a game is a game, is it worth risking soldier's lives (or a prison sentence for you)?
Ask your Security Officer (Adj?) before you go sending stuff like that to civvies.
I am well aware of what 'standard media sources' I quoted, mate

Blinding obvious to you maybe. Was showing what leval was available. Have seen better myself.
 

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