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BoJo Demands Reversal of Plod Cutbacks....Who Speaks for HM Armed Forces?

Andy_S

LE
Book Reviewer
#1
Amid the anarchy, some sense from the Mayor, who comes out and says, we have to reverse the cutbacks in police numbers.
BBC News - England riots: Fightback under way, says PM

But one has to wonder.

With the UK engaged in a multi-billion quid shooting war, against seriously dangerous bad boys, that has left close to 400 Britons dead, HMG is still cutting the Armed Forces to the bone (and beyond).

AFAIK, nobody has been killed thus far in the riots, and damage may be in the tens or even hundreds of millions, but is not approaching the billions. Seen from this perspective, one might argue that the panic on the streets of London (and elsewhere) is fairly small beer.

Of course, there is great political capital invested in Plod as he serves and protects his local community. (Well....in theory). The Armed Forces, OTOH, take on national threats well over the horizon.

I have a sense, given the current chaos, that Cameron may have no choice but to deaccelerate its budget slashing agenda.

If so: How does the Armed Forces mobilize public interest to roll back cutbacks? Or is the budget massacre a done deal and not worth fighting against?
 

Schaden

LE
Book Reviewer
#2
Stop ****ing whining - the MOD are given more than enough cash - they're ***** who shouldn't be in charge of the local chippy rather than a £50 billion business. The issue is not being given enough funds - the issue is the dead wood in the service, the morons who run the place and the politicians who tell the morons what they want done.
 

chrisg46

LE
Book Reviewer
#3
Amid the anarchy, some sense from the Mayor, who comes out and says, we have to reverse the cutbacks in police numbers.
BBC News - England riots: Fightback under way, says PM

But one has to wonder.

With the UK engaged in a multi-billion quid shooting war, against seriously dangerous bad boys, that has left close to 400 Britons dead, HMG is still cutting the Armed Forces to the bone (and beyond).

AFAIK, nobody has been killed thus far in the riots, and damage may be in the tens or even hundreds of millions, but is not approaching the billions. Seen from this perspective, one might argue that the panic on the streets of London (and elsewhere) is fairly small beer.

Of course, there is great political capital invested in Plod as he serves and protects his local community. (Well....in theory). The Armed Forces, OTOH, take on national threats well over the horizon.

I have a sense, given the current chaos, that Cameron may have no choice but to deaccelerate its budget slashing agenda.

If so: How does the Armed Forces mobilize public interest to roll back cutbacks? Or is the budget massacre a done deal and not worth fighting against?
Key phrase underlined etc.
 

Andy_S

LE
Book Reviewer
#4
SNIP
Stop ****ing whining - the MOD are given more than enough cash - they're ***** who shouldn't be in charge of the local chippy rather than a £50 billion business.
SNIP

Perhaps some obliging rioters could be marshaled into Whitehall to strip the MoD of cellphones, flatscreens, etc, then burn the place to the ground?

With the big spenders cut down to size, perhaps all will suddenly turn out right, and we can have as many aircraft carriers, county regiments, stealth bombers, etc, as we could possible desire.
 

FORMER_FYRDMAN

LE
Book Reviewer
#5
SNIP
Stop ****ing whining - the MOD are given more than enough cash - they're ***** who shouldn't be in charge of the local chippy rather than a £50 billion business.
SNIP

Perhaps some obliging rioters could be marshaled into Whitehall to strip the MoD of cellphones, flatscreens, etc, then burn the place to the ground?

With the big spenders cut down to size, perhaps all will suddenly turn out right, and we can have as many aircraft carriers, county regiments, stealth bombers, etc, as we could possible desire.
It's certainly worth a try.
 
#6
AFAIK, nobody has been killed thus far in the riots...
At least three so far, as of 1530.

...damage may be in the tens or even hundreds of millions, but is not approaching the billions. Seen from this perspective, one might argue that the panic on the streets of London (and elsewhere) is fairly small beer.

I have a sense, given the current chaos, that Cameron may have no choice but to deaccelerate its budget slashing agenda.
If so: How does the Armed Forces mobilize public interest to roll back cutbacks?
We don't. The Armed Forces and the MoD have squandered a fair amount of their budgets through mismanagement, ineffeciency and idiotic decision making ( FRES anyone? ) even before you account for the effects of political mismanagement.

The campaign we are fighting in Helmand now is well resourced. No greater amount of money will do any good - Afghanistan will not become the country we set out to create, or one we would be pleased fir it ti come. We've lost and will play realpolitik with the conseuqences. Oh, and learn not to indulge in an muscularly liberal foreign policy money for at least a decade.

As with anyone lobbying for fewer, shallower cuts in the PSNBR - any good ideas on where the money could come from? No?

In that context, given that any slowdown in cuts in one sector will come at the expense of more in another, I'd be far happier for the policing of this country to be cut some slack than keep it in the MoD. As we kept on saying in both Iraq and Afghanistan, "rule of law is the foundation upon which everything else rests".

Lets ensure that before we consider the Olympics, NHS, education & even the MoD.
 

Andy_S

LE
Book Reviewer
#7
SNIP
"rule of law is the foundation upon which everything else rests".
SNIP

Sound point, but it seems as if the UK public put up with a very considerable amount of lawlessness - from local burglaries and Chavism outside their locals on a Friday night, to corruption at the heart of our institutions - long before the current rioters started blagging sportshoes and mobile phones.

If this situation proves to be the turning point from which, henceforth, the cops will start prioritizing effectiveness and the courts will actually work out how to deal with juvenile offenders, great. But I suspect the rot is too deep for such an outcome to eventuate.

Meanwhile, the fight goes on in Afghanistan and in Libya.
 

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