body armour

#1
Quick question

My daughter is doing a debate thing at school and has chosen the old chestnut...soldiers v footballers. Can anyone tell me how much weight the average Joe Soldier carries out on patrol in the sandpit, everything included? Bang stick, fluids...the lot!

Thanks in advance for sensible answers!

For the 'others'...no **** off I'm not posting pics of any part of her!
 

BrunoNoMedals

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#5
Anywhere between 60 - 75Ib depending on job/wpn system etc. Hope this helps.
Kids don't do imperial anymore!

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daywalker

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#12
If people are carrying that much weight on a routine patrol that is a failure of the CoC and resup chain, there is no way you need to go on patrol with 18 mags FFS.

Bullets, water and IPE does not amount to 145Ib.
 
#13
If people are carrying that much weight on a routine patrol that is a failure of the CoC and resup chain, there is no way you need to go on patrol with 18 mags FFS.

Bullets, water and IPE does not amount to 145Ib.
Ladders. Special radios. Influence items. Night sights. LASM etc. Oh yeah and Osprey with 4 plates.
 
#14
Not having been yet* I think it would be interesting for someone to put up an average patrol packing list, Opsec permitting just to see the load.



*and when I do go later on it's def not in the fighting role, more a camp rat.
 
#15
To get an average of weight carried for your daughters project, you are going to need a fair few replies and from different units.

I know that Royal Engineer sappers carry shedloads of equipment when out on the ground in search teams etc.

We used to carry about 120 lbs in equipment/ammo/water/weapon, but that was before you had to wear any body armour, let alone the Osprey armour.
 
#17
If people are carrying that much weight on a routine patrol that is a failure of the CoC and resup chain, there is no way you need to go on patrol with 18 mags FFS.

Bullets, water and IPE does not amount to 145Ib.
Bullets - 6 mags a man, will probably be expended per contact, Allowing for how many contacts you get in a patrol, 18 Mags is reasonable (but will change depending on the AO) smoke Phos and HE
Water - Allowing for the fact that once you're out of the gate its the enemy action that decides when you come back in, 4-5 Litres per man is the very minimum youd take out.
IPE, Helmet body armour side plates, gloves glasses - not all heavy but all uncomfortable and irritating.

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#18
the old osprey weighed about 17-20kg i think plus about another 15-20 kgs of equipment
 
#20
If people are carrying that much weight on a routine patrol that is a failure of the CoC and resup chain, there is no way you need to go on patrol with 18 mags FFS.
If you're jumping between contacts for a couple of hours, 18 mags really doesn't last that long. More to the point, if you're pinned down for an extended period, the one thing you do not want to do is run out of ammo.

Add to that ammo for the other section and platoon weapons, body armour, ECM, radios, specialist kit and a few litres of water and you're talking serious weight even for a short patrol.
 

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