Bob Ainsworth steps down

#1
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:D :D

I know Dr Liam Fox is an unproven quantity, but he has at least had some experience of military life (he was an MO, I believe?). So, fingers crossed, we'll have someone who has a modicum of understanding.
 
#3
Tango said:
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:D :D

I know Dr Liam Fox is an unproven quantity, but he has at least had some experience of military life (he was an MO, I believe?). So, fingers crossed, we'll have someone who has a modicum of understanding.
It's surely not going to be that much of a challenge to outdo Bob Ainsworth
 
#4
Slightly off topic, but as I understand when Labour came into power for the first time in history there was no military experience in the cabinet...

(feel free to correct at any time)

So does anyone know from the cabinet that has been named if this is no longer the case? So far we have Dr L Fox who was a former MO.

PS - Ainsworth - Close the door on your way out.
 
#5
MoD Website said:
Bob Ainsworth has stepped down as Defence Secretary
They make it sound as if he had a choice or did it voluntary. :x


I wonder how many of the senior military staff just happened to be washing their hair when he left yesterday?
 

BuggerAll

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#6
The cnut hasn't 'stepped down' he's been fired. I have a message for him 'FCUK OFF'.
 

Biped

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#7
Can anyone actually tell me, apart from the fact that he appears to be a bit of a tool, what he actually did that was bad for the MOD?

I'm only asking because I've only heard that he's, well, a bit of a tool.
 
#8
BuggerAll said:
The cnut hasn't 'stepped down' he's been fired. I have a message for him 'FCUK OFF'.
ha ha ha ha, my thoughts exactly.

I have met him and I found him quite unpleasant. He was almost rude when I sent one of my SNCOs to brief him. Apparetly he was expecting someone a bit more senior (despite that SNCO being one of my most experienced staff).

But what really did it for me was when he came in and spoke on a course I was on. He managed to alienate about 60% of the audience in the first 30 secs, with his I've been to the school of hard knocks and university of life script.
I got the impression that in his eyes being an officer means you are a public school/private income/tory boy/graduate.
He clearly still subscribes to the 19th century view of the Army Officer.

(Worringly there seems to be a large number of people on Arrse that seem to hold that view too).
 
#9
Step down?


Shame the cvnt didn't step under a bus! :evil:
 

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KnightsofRowallan said:
BuggerAll said:
The cnut hasn't 'stepped down' he's been fired. I have a message for him 'FCUK OFF'.
ha ha ha ha, my thoughts exactly.

I have met him and I found him quite unpleasant. He was almost rude when I sent one of my SNCOs to brief him. Apparetly he was expecting someone a bit more senior (despite that SNCO being one of my most experienced staff).

But what really did it for me was when he came in and spoke on a course I was on. He managed to alienate about 60% of the audience in the first 30 secs, with his I've been to the school of hard knocks and university of life script.
I got the impression that in his eyes being an officer means you are a public school/private income/tory boy/graduate.
He clearly still subscribes to the 19th century view of the Army Officer.

(Worringly there seems to be a large number of people on Arrse that seem to hold that view too).
New Labour - wanting to engage in class war against 'toffs' while sneering at the 'lower orders'. Don't forget we're all bigots.
 

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#11
I've worked for him, and found him a decent, hard-working, and 'honourable' man, with at least an understanding of his task. We could have had far, far worse (look at some of the Junior Ministers) and, considering that he was never expecting the job, he made a pretty good fist of it.

As for briefing Courses - I saw another Minister give a talk to an Army Staff Course last year, when the assembled Audience made complete tits of themselves, and came across as, indeed, what a Socialist would imagine Army Officers to be - it quite saddened me. One of the questions, for example: "What right do you have, as a civilian, to tell the Armed Forces what to do?" Answer: "Well, actually, I was elected, and in a democracy that's what happens." There were other questions in a similar vein, so it's no wonder that the 19th C view of 'The Officer' persist, I'm afraid.


Edited to add - Dr Fox was a Civilian MO, and has had no more time in uniform than most MPs, i.e. none at all.
 
#12
... according to his wiki page Dr Fox(y) was a civilian MO and in the St John's Ambulance.

But when is wiki ever right!

edited cos I can't read!
 
#13
I would like to add that Cameron and Hague were the complete opposite.
I got a cup of tea and a biscuit, they were very welcoming and interested.
They were also up for a bit of banter and piss taking.
Totally not what I was expecting at all.
I wish them the best of luck sorting out the mess Labour have made.
 
#15
OldSnowy said:
I've worked for him, and found him a decent, hard-working, and 'honourable' man, with at least an understanding of his task. We could have had far, far worse (look at some of the Junior Ministers) and, considering that he was never expecting the job, he made a pretty good fist of it.

As for briefing Courses - I saw another Minister give a talk to an Army Staff Course last year, when the assembled Audience made complete tits of themselves, and came across as, indeed, what a Socialist would imagine Army Officers to be - it quite saddened me. One of the questions, for example: "What right do you have, as a civilian, to tell the Armed Forces what to do?" Answer: "Well, actually, I was elected, and in a democracy that's what happens." There were other questions in a similar vein, so it's no wonder that the 19th C view of 'The Officer' persist, I'm afraid.
I must admit I thought he was better than many gave him credit for, he certainly came across as a man determined to do the best he could for the Services.
It's funny isn't it? Hostility breeds hostility yet the perpetrator rarely sees any wrong in his own actions. All officers would do well to remember the old adage "to gain respect for yourself you must first be able to show respect for others".
Manners cost nothing and often allow you to punch above your weight.
 
#16
JesterRIP said:
Slightly off topic, but as I understand when Labour came into power for the first time in history there was no military experience in the cabinet...

(feel free to correct at any time)

So does anyone know from the cabinet that has been named if this is no longer the case? So far we have Dr L Fox who was a former MO.

PS - Ainsworth - Close the door on your way out.

Well Dave Cameron was in the Eton Rifles
 
#17
well, as honourable as Ainsworth may be.
Answering your phone and typing e-mails when somebody is trying to deliver a brief to you is frankly not on. Especially when the briefer is a SNCO, what message does that send?

I have always made a point of minding my P and Qs, Manners maketh the man.


A word on staff college. You are expected to challenge the speakers and ask questions. Granted there are some who would be best served by keeping quiet and being though a fool, rather than opening their mouth....etc ..etc.
 
#18
OldSnowy said:
Edited to add - Dr Fox was a Civilian MO, and has had no more time in uniform than most MPs, i.e. none at all.
Granted, but he has had a lot more exposure (I would imagine), to the forces, than most MPs.
 
#20
Gremlin said:
shrew said:
KnightsofRowallan said:
I would like to add that Cameron and Hague were the complete opposite.

I got a cup of tea and a biscuit
... is that all it took?
Well it might have been a sticky biscuit!
Sorry to dissappoint, it was a jammy dodger.

(I prefer Jaffa cakes™, but they are not biscuits at all.)

Everyman has his price. Perhaps I should up mine slightly :D

Back on topic, it wasn't just the biscuit. The working enviroment was totally different, you actually felt welcome to be there, rather than just another unwelcome time sponge to be removed from the office asap.

That said John Hutton seemed like much better choice, a shame they moved him on so soon.

edited about a brazillion times as I have lost the ability to type properly. I need a cup of tea.
 

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