BNP Address Withheld On Ballot

#1
I noticed on my ballot sheet that the BNP candidate's address had been withheld and it was just put as "in the East Riding".

I had always thought that a candidate had to disclose their address.

However, it certainly shows he doesn't even give himself a chance of getting elected!
 
#2
Several of my candidates had "address in xxx constituency" on the ballot (no BNP candidate.)

There was a change in the law last year - s24(2)(b) of the "Political Parties and Elections Act 2009". They have to provide the address on the nomination form but can ask for it to be kept off the ballot paper.

I believe this was down to Dr Julian Lewis who claimed to be worried about his family's safety:

if the rules at election-time are not changed to prevent the disclosure of home addresses, then it will be a certainty that someone who disagrees with the will of the House on non-disclosure” will compile a complete list of all the addresses disclosed in the run-up to the next General Election and publish them on the internet. Thus, any troublemaker at home or terrorist abroad will be able to send dangerous or disgusting substances through the post to hundreds of MPs’ unprotected mailboxes.
I would point out that part of my lack of stringent regard for my personal persec on this site (much to a certain crab's disgust) is due to the local Council publishing my home address and other contacts details when I was elected to the local Community Council. Something they have subsequently stopped doing - but the internet never forgets (at least, Google cache does not!)
 

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#5
Markintime said:
polar said:
Markintime said:
However, it certainly shows he doesn't even give himself a chance of getting elected!
It most certainly doesn't, it shows he is concerned about his safety.
and doesn't give himself a chance of being elected.
Additionally if he does get elected, he will have to disclose his constituency office address which tends to be their home address anyway, most MPs dont have a seperate office now thw expenses have been tighten a little
 
#6
Markintime said:
polar said:
Markintime said:
However, it certainly shows he doesn't even give himself a chance of getting elected!
It most certainly doesn't, it shows he is concerned about his safety.
and doesn't give himself a chance of being elected.
I agree with him not being elected but it's not related to him hiding his address.

Any sensible BNP candidate in my area would be a freecking moron to put his name on a ballot box paper and they would stand a good chance of being elected. (I live next to one of BNP's top 5 targets)
 

Biped

LE
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#7
His home address doesn't define his policies, and as pointed out, his Consituency Office is published.

Can't see what the problem is.
 
#8
In contrast to where you are, on my ballot paper the only candidate with his address printed was the BNP candidate!
 
#9
polar said:
Markintime said:
polar said:
Markintime said:
However, it certainly shows he doesn't even give himself a chance of getting elected!
It most certainly doesn't, it shows he is concerned about his safety.
and doesn't give himself a chance of being elected.
I agree with him not being elected but it's not related to him hiding his address.

Any sensible BNP candidate in my area would be a freecking moron to put his name on a ballot box paper and they would stand a good chance of being elected. (I live next to one of BNP's top 5 targets)
So, even though he may be the most popular person and the people's choice he would be a moron to let his constituents know where he lives? So how do his constituents contact him and how do they even know he continues to live in their area?

The point I was making is that if you are elected then your address is published. If he thought he was going to be elected then he'd put his address down. The same goes for the Labour, Lib Dem, Tory, Monster Raving Loony et al.

How can you be a representative of the people if people don't know how to get in touch with you? By standing for Parliament he is attempting to enter Public Life. We are not governed by the anonymous in this country.
 
#10
Biped said:
His home address doesn't define his policies, and as pointed out, his Consituency Office is published.

Can't see what the problem is.
I think his party defines his policies. However that was not the point I was making. How can anyone stand for election to Public Office but keep their whereabouts a secret?

His constituency office is not published
 
#11
Markintime said:
So, even though he may be the most popular person and the people's choice he would be a moron to let his constituents know where he lives?
In my area he would most certainly be subject to a racist attack. I've seen it just a few months ago, EDL had to be protected from racist attacks from people who had infiltrated the Anti Nazi league banner.

Markintime said:
How can you be a representative of the people if people don't know how to get in touch with you? By standing for Parliament he is attempting to enter Public Life. We are not governed by the anonymous in this country.
If you knew my area, you'd realise that your talking in cloud cuckoo land. Somebody wanting to do that would be considered a freak, loony left or a Tory.
 
#12
Markintime said:
I think his party defines his policies. However that was not the point I was making. How can anyone stand for election to Public Office but keep their whereabouts a secret?
Because the law has changed?

Anyway - is this him? I don't know whether that's his home address or his election agent's ...
 
#13
Idrach said:
Markintime said:
I think his party defines his policies. However that was not the point I was making. How can anyone stand for election to Public Office but keep their whereabouts a secret?
Because the law has changed?

Anyway - is this him? I don't know whether that's his home address or his election agent's ...
No, it's this guy, and if you follow the 'They Work For You' link they couldn't contact him either.

This isn't to do with his party, it's to do with accountability to his local constituents. He wants people to vote for him but he wont tell them how to get in touch with him, where he lives, where he went to school or, indeed, anything about himself.
 

Biped

LE
Book Reviewer
#14
Gary Pudsey, 143 St Johns Ave Bridlington YO16 4NP yoru local prospective MP/Councillor.

Further to that, if you need more information, you could always contact the North East BNP offices at Durham, Northumberland, Cleveland, Tyne and Wear, P.O. Box 1132, Newcastle Upon Tyne, NE99 4YT, Telephone: 07957 777 521, Email: northeast@bnp.org.uk

It's all over t'interweb if you only look.

As for why he wouldn't want to shout about his home address, I'm thinking that's because his home will be fire-bombed, placarded, protested outside of, he'll be spat and assaulted and have sh!t put through his letterbox.

That's how the anti-fascist league operate, so it's hardly surprising is it? The anti-fascist are pretty undemocratic in their viewpoint, and rather than allow the public to make up its own mind and promote the cause of democracy, they would rather shut down the BNP, attack their members, deny us our democratic right to vote on a legitimate party and deny them the right to appear in the media.

The biggest problem in this country is not parties like the BNP, it's the absence of a free democracy! There's not enough democratic representation or accountability, and that's the fault of the two main parties and government. That's not the fault of the BNP because they've never had power in the UK, and probably never will (but that's because the people of this country are not entirely stupid).
 
#15
polar said:
Markintime said:
So, even though he may be the most popular person and the people's choice he would be a moron to let his constituents know where he lives?
In my area he would most certainly be subject to a racist attack. I've seen it just a few months ago, EDL had to be protected from racist attacks from people who had infiltrated the Anti Nazi league banner.

Markintime said:
How can you be a representative of the people if people don't know how to get in touch with you? By standing for Parliament he is attempting to enter Public Life. We are not governed by the anonymous in this country.
If you knew my area, you'd realise that your talking in cloud cuckoo land. Somebody wanting to do that would be considered a freak, loony left or a Tory.
I've got a good idea where Polar is talking about and quite frankly I wouldn't hang around there for fun*. It's a breeding ground for jihadists.


unless suitably armed* ;)
 
#17
EX_STAB said:
polar said:
Markintime said:
So, even though he may be the most popular person and the people's choice he would be a moron to let his constituents know where he lives?
In my area he would most certainly be subject to a racist attack. I've seen it just a few months ago, EDL had to be protected from racist attacks from people who had infiltrated the Anti Nazi league banner.

Markintime said:
How can you be a representative of the people if people don't know how to get in touch with you? By standing for Parliament he is attempting to enter Public Life. We are not governed by the anonymous in this country.
If you knew my area, you'd realise that your talking in cloud cuckoo land. Somebody wanting to do that would be considered a freak, loony left or a Tory.
I've got a good idea where Polar is talking about and quite frankly I wouldn't hang around there for fun*. It's a breeding ground for jihadists.


unless suitably armed* ;)
In an earlier post Polar said that a BNP could well expect to be elected in his area so that must mean that the majority support his views.
If an MP has any worries about his constituency address then the Police would be duty bound to keep a greater watch on it.
I just wondered how someone can 'stand up and be counted' whilst remaining anonymous.
 

Biped

LE
Book Reviewer
#18
I withdraw my last. Thought I'd be a smartarrse and contact the BNP and simply ask them. Trouble is, they're all out on the road as it's polling day and nobody is picking up the phone.
 
#19
Markintime said:
In an earlier post Polar said that a BNP could well expect to be elected in his area so that must mean that the majority support his views.
If an MP has any worries about his constituency address then the Police would be duty bound to keep a greater watch on it.
I just wondered how someone can 'stand up and be counted' whilst remaining anonymous.
I have to differ very strongly on your last comment, nowhere have I indicated I support BNP, if you want to know who I voted for it was Liberal Democrat.

I've just been a plain realist and know BNP stand a very chance of getting in BECAUSE I LIVE IN A LABOUR STRONGHOLD WITH A LARGE MUSLIM POPULATION. Yes that is a paradox and sounds completely barking but it's 100% true.

I was playing with the idea of what would happen if I stood for election in this area, I wouldn't get in because:

I'd had an affair with a muslim girl
I'm white and had an affair with a muslim girl
She was a higher caste than the local muslims
I'm not from Yorkshire
I'm in the TA
I appear to many locals to be middle class
and I wouldn't be selected anyway as for starters - I live in this area!!!!

As for issues I'd campaign on, quite clearly ones with a large slant towards social justice and local issues, so quite obviously same as the BNP (yes I do mean that but dropping the racist stuff).
If you look at the reasons I wouldn't get in, they tend to have similarities - prejudice is a common theme.
 
#20
Markintime said:
No, it's this guy, and if you follow the 'They Work For You' link they couldn't contact him either.

This isn't to do with his party, it's to do with accountability to his local constituents. He wants people to vote for him but he wont tell them how to get in touch with him, where he lives, where he went to school or, indeed, anything about himself.
Well, I had to fill in the "Your Next MP" details for all of my candidates bar the incumbent ... I think that you are correct, and he knows he has no chance of being elected, but I would also agree with others that he has a valid reason to fear some sort of harassment from the anti-fascist brigade.

I'm somewhat surprised that he doesn't have a working email address, for example - but then with the BNP's webmaster having a hissy fit ...

Anyway - found his address - he's his own election agent so it is on the official papers. I make that 56 Burstall Hill, Bridlington ...

Edited to add: although I have a bit of Google fu, the fact that he put his address on one part of the form, knowing that it would be made public and hid it on another part of the same form does rather confirm my opinion of the average BNP supporter.
 

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