Bloody Sunday Prosecutions to follow !

#2
Well it suits the Mail's purposes down to the ground to rev this up but I wouldn't be expecting charges and an actual trial any time soon.

It's also clear the paper has decided their best interest lies in taking the anti-para line, using the word murdered in the picture caption.
 
#3
As this has been lifted from the Times which has better contacts than the wail I would give it some credence, however the final outcome is another matter. I cant see any prosecutions being pursued.
 
#4
According to various media, this is about the planned interview of a number of individuals under caution, having been arrested as part of that procedure. The MOD is reportedly engaging lawyers to advise and assist those individuals, quite rightly so.

The evidence given by individuals to the Saville inquiry cannot be used against them.

A detail: The first of the Mail's illustrations is captioned "An armed soldier attacks a protestor on Bloody Sunday", but is in fact the well-known photograph of a protester being vigorously propelled into detention.
 
#5
BBC News - Call for independent panel to review Ballymurphy killings

Meanwhile this deja vu cause for justice and truth is waiting in the wings.

And of course the Colonel cannot be blamed for his confidence that such an event would not recur (or be provoked into recurrence)

We started off in 1962 with intelligence about a terrorist group who planned class warfare. The "civil rights movement" began to attack that plan by defining conflict more along sectarian lines. Then came Ballymurphy and Bloody Sunday followed by OIRA ceasefire. The architects of the more dangerous plan had apparently quit the field to leave sectarian conflict in Ireland and England targets as the PIRA carnage fields.

So who gained from the tragedies ?

And now to play the justice game it is poor old Tommy Atkins who stands alone to be Aunt Sally.
 
#6
According to various media, this is about the planned interview of a number of individuals under caution, having been arrested as part of that procedure. The MOD is reportedly engaging lawyers to advise and assist those individuals, quite rightly so.

The evidence given by individuals to the Saville inquiry cannot be used against them.

A detail: The first of the Mail's illustrations is captioned "An armed soldier attacks a protestor on Bloody Sunday", but is in fact the well-known photograph of a protester being vigorously propelled into detention.
I would not be too sure of that. It may be akin to inquest evidence. I think it can be considered by a later judicial process if it differs from what the person says on oath in the subsequent process.
 
#7
I would expect a few more to pop up in the (very) near future as well.
 
#8
I do hope there are arrests

Because I can see a nice compensation jobbie for anyone arrested for questioning, seeing as events 41 years ago and attended as planned interviews have no chance on this ****ing earth of fulfilling the necessity test under code G of PACE!
 
#9
I'm really fed up with the whole thing.

When I was in, my attitude was let the whole sorry lot of them kill each other and leave us out of it. Unfortunately we were involved and acted as best we could under the training, rules and guidance of the time. I was never one of those who jumped out of perfectly serviceable aircraft on a steady basis or when they discovered the pilot was an officer.

Why is this still being pushed? I thought the Good Friday agreement or whatever it is was is supposed to draw a line under everything that happened previously. If that's not the case why are the Irish lot not being pursued as vigorously?

I really dislike the targetting of former military in this manner. The system of the time did it's bit. Decisions were made then and modern interpretation of those decisions will never fit with the way of the world at the time.
 
#11
If a prosecution was fortcoming could McGuiness be called more likely as a prosecution witness (could the defence force his attendance?).

We know indeed he has confirmed he was there, some accounts have him holding a sub machine gun.

He side stepped all these questions at the (latest) enquiry arranging some bollocks about a strict line of questioning as part of his agreement to appear.

If he can be cross examined we might just get finally get to the truth.
 
#12
I do hope there are arrests

Because I can see a nice compensation jobbie for anyone arrested for questioning, seeing as events 41 years ago and attended as planned interviews have no chance on this ****ing earth of fulfilling the necessity test under code G of PACE!
Not even for preventing communication between co-accused during the interview phase, conducting searches, using special warnings during interview or imposing bail conditions?
 
#13
If that's not the case why are the Irish lot not being pursued as vigorously?
Primarily because the Army has a habit of keeping records, PIRA et al, not so (although, oddly, the loyalist mobs frequently did). So any inquiries into what PIRA did tend to stall at a very early stage. But also because, well... they haven't gone away you know.

You'll probably see a little bit of rabble rousing between now and the end of the year, the Haas talks, (also a factor in why the Prods have started painting the gable ends again) and particularly the DUP turn around on the Maze "peace centre". It's impossible to overestimate how important that centre is to the "republican movement".
 
#14
Unfortunately I don't think this will go away until they get the result they want. If when all is said and done it is found that troops were in the wrong it will be The Army's Hillsborough and that is too much of an opportunity for them to give up on.
 
#15
Unfortunately I don't think this will go away until they get the result they want. If when all is said and done it is found that troops were in the wrong it will be The Army's Hillsborough and that is too much of an opportunity for them to give up on.
I'm not sure they ever want it resolved, as it stands it's an eternal stick to beat the Brits with, old soldiers in gaol does nothing for anyone.
 
#16
Not even for preventing communication between co-accused during the interview phase,
They've had 41 years to communicate, and are attending pre-planned interviews, what practical role would preventing collusion take, when they have had more than adequate opportunity to 'come up with a story' - any arrest on this basis would be clearly an unreasonable application of logic or power, and stand no chance whatsoever of passing judicial review.

conducting searches,
Again, 41 years and a pre-planned interview - if there were any honest justification there is adequate opportunity to apply for a search warrant - this sort of logic was clearly dealt with in hanningfield vs essex police, what useful evidence do you suggest that a defendant might have 41 years down the line that they are likely to dispose of if not arrested, given they are attending a pre-planned interview?

using special warnings during interview
Pace guidelines suggest this may be appropriate where the suspect is found in possession of incriminating objects or near the scene of the crime - once again we're back to the facts of the case, 41 years!

imposing bail conditions?
The arresting officer plays no part in the decision to bail. Bail cannot form part if the officer's decision to arrest. That decision is for the Custody Sergeant. The bail decision, in any event, falls to be made at the same time as a decision re charges etc. under s37 PACE, so cannot be made at the time of arrest.
 
#17
A lot of good posts on this subject here. Personally, my ****ing blood is boiling over yet more appeasement to the provies. If this sort of stuff is dragged up again, where will it stop? Every confirmed kill will be dragged up by these ****s looking for a UK govt payout
 
#18
A lot of good posts on this subject here. Personally, my ****ing blood is boiling over yet more appeasement to the provies. If this sort of stuff is dragged up again, where will it stop? Every confirmed kill will be dragged up by these ****s looking for a UK govt payout
Yup. That's about the size of it.
 
#19
As this has been lifted from the Times which has better contacts than the wail I would give it some credence, however the final outcome is another matter. I cant see any prosecutions being pursued.
After all, we're all supposed to be friends now, ain't we? This has got 'not in the public interest' stamped all over it - hopefully!


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#20
After all, we're all supposed to be friends now, ain't we? This has got 'not in the public interest' stamped all over it - hopefully!


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Nope, not whilst there exists the opportunity for 'Names to be made' and good old fashioned Republican spite and malice. And they will find plenty of sympathetic ears in Government and the higher echelons of plod.
 

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