Bloggers have no right to privacy says British court

#2
There is no such thing as privacy on the internet.
If you don't want others to know what you write and think, keep it to yourself or keep a diary.

If you got a bit of IT knowledge and some time on your hand, there will be no secret at all.

Wake up, using computer and internet isn't doing magic, it's simple technology.
 
#3
The problem the Law and the Government have with the internet, is that, as Iran and China are finiding out, it is almost impossible to police properly.

Although you can trace a user, this judgement will only breed a rash of software that will make identifying the user more difficult, (can be done now if your that bothered).
 
#4
YesItsMe said:
There is no such thing as privacy on the internet.
If you don't want others to know what you write and think, keep it to yourself or keep a diary.

If you got a bit of IT knowledge and some time on your hand, there will be no secret at all.

Wake up, using computer and internet isn't doing magic, it's simple technology.
I agree .... to some extent. Many might argue that in Britain today there is no privacy... period!

But this isn't a case of hacking usernames or wearing a tin foil hat. In this case a High Court Judge (who has a history of... er, controversial decisions) has made a legal ruling that if bloggers say something that disturbs the status quo or p1sses off some people who might not agree with what is being said (surely the essence of blogging) that person has no right to remain annonymous and must be publicly named 8O

You may not agree but I think that's wrong and it certainly affects what goes on on this website
 
#5
leveller said:
The problem the Law and the Government have with the internet, is that, as Iran and China are finiding out, it is almost impossible to police properly.

Although you can trace a user, this judgement will only breed a rash of software that will make identifying the user more difficult, (can be done now if your that bothered).
My bold.

The biggest problem is the severe lack of funds, officers and most of all regulations by law.
It's the legislative power to be in great demand first.
 
#7
stabradop said:
Wasnt it the newspapers who dobbed him in though?
Yup! NightJack was grassed up by the Times newspaper. The cardinal rule of newspapers is (should be) protect your sources ... but they were the ones who screwed him!
 
#8
Archangel said:
YesItsMe said:
There is no such thing as privacy on the internet.
If you don't want others to know what you write and think, keep it to yourself or keep a diary.

If you got a bit of IT knowledge and some time on your hand, there will be no secret at all.

Wake up, using computer and internet isn't doing magic, it's simple technology.
I agree .... to some extent. Many might argue that in Britain today there is no privacy... period!

But this isn't a case of hacking usernames or wearing a tin foil hat. In this case a High Court Judge (who has a history of... er, controversial decisions) has made a legal ruling that if bloggers say something that disturbs the status quo or p1sses off some people who might not agree with what is being said (surely the essence of blogging) that person has no right to remain annonymous and must be publicly named 8O

You may not agree but I think that's wrong and it certainly affects what goes on on this website
Sorry if I might use wrong terms, still I will try to answer, cause this is what I deal with every day.

Would you agree that in case of defamation or even malicious falsehood the affected person should have the right to react against the offender ?
This can only be done if you know who you are reacting to.

And before the first one starts complaining about freedom of expression, which is indeed a fundamental right,
but still you have to make sure that you're not insulting, offending aso anybody else.
The moment criminal law is involved, anonymity on the internet will and has to be abolished.
 
#9
YesItsMe said:
Archangel said:
YesItsMe said:
There is no such thing as privacy on the internet.
If you don't want others to know what you write and think, keep it to yourself or keep a diary.

If you got a bit of IT knowledge and some time on your hand, there will be no secret at all.

Wake up, using computer and internet isn't doing magic, it's simple technology.
I agree .... to some extent. Many might argue that in Britain today there is no privacy... period!

But this isn't a case of hacking usernames or wearing a tin foil hat. In this case a High Court Judge (who has a history of... er, controversial decisions) has made a legal ruling that if bloggers say something that disturbs the status quo or p1sses off some people who might not agree with what is being said (surely the essence of blogging) that person has no right to remain annonymous and must be publicly named 8O

You may not agree but I think that's wrong and it certainly affects what goes on on this website
Sorry if I might use wrong terms, still I will try to answer, cause this is what I deal with every day.

Would you agree that in case of defamation or even malicious falsehood the affected person should have the right to react against the offender ?
This can only be done if you know who you are reacting to.

And before the first one starts complaining about freedom of expression, which is indeed a fundamental right,
but still you have to make sure that you're not insulting, offending aso anybody else.
The moment criminal law is involved, anonymity on the internet will and has to be abolished.
Not going to happen. The powers that be can chuck as much money and man hours they like, but somebody on the net will find a way to block, hide etc.
If say the UK, set up a division of say 1000 to police the internet, they are taking on probably millions of software programmers who could run rings round them and will do it for fun!
 
#10
leveller said:
YesItsMe said:
Archangel said:
YesItsMe said:
There is no such thing as privacy on the internet.
If you don't want others to know what you write and think, keep it to yourself or keep a diary.
If you got a bit of IT knowledge and some time on your hand, there will be no secret at all.
Wake up, using computer and internet isn't doing magic, it's simple technology.
I agree .... to some extent. Many might argue that in Britain today there is no privacy... period!
But this isn't a case of hacking usernames or wearing a tin foil hat. In this case a High Court Judge (who has a history of... er, controversial decisions) has made a legal ruling that if bloggers say something that disturbs the status quo or p1sses off some people who might not agree with what is being said (surely the essence of blogging) that person has no right to remain annonymous and must be publicly named 8O
You may not agree but I think that's wrong and it certainly affects what goes on on this website
Sorry if I might use wrong terms, still I will try to answer, cause this is what I deal with every day.
Would you agree that in case of defamation or even malicious falsehood the affected person should have the right to react against the offender ?
This can only be done if you know who you are reacting to.
And before the first one starts complaining about freedom of expression, which is indeed a fundamental right,
but still you have to make sure that you're not insulting, offending aso anybody else.
The moment criminal law is involved, anonymity on the internet will and has to be abolished.
Not going to happen. The powers that be can chuck as much money and man hours they like, but somebody on the net will find a way to block, hide etc.
If say the UK, set up a division of say 1000 to police the internet, they are taking on probably millions of software programmers who could run rings round them and will do it for fun!
That's why I mentioned legislative power. We need laws (no woolly regulations like we have atm to about 80%) and a scale of proper and adequate penalties.
Ok, I have to admit that I'm not sure about differences to the UK. This is about German law. Still I guess there isn't a lot of a difference.
Trust me, there is no permanent hiding, and there will never be.
 
#11
YesItsMe said:
leveller said:
YesItsMe said:
Archangel said:
YesItsMe said:
There is no such thing as privacy on the internet.
If you don't want others to know what you write and think, keep it to yourself or keep a diary.
If you got a bit of IT knowledge and some time on your hand, there will be no secret at all.
Wake up, using computer and internet isn't doing magic, it's simple technology.
I agree .... to some extent. Many might argue that in Britain today there is no privacy... period!
But this isn't a case of hacking usernames or wearing a tin foil hat. In this case a High Court Judge (who has a history of... er, controversial decisions) has made a legal ruling that if bloggers say something that disturbs the status quo or p1sses off some people who might not agree with what is being said (surely the essence of blogging) that person has no right to remain annonymous and must be publicly named 8O
You may not agree but I think that's wrong and it certainly affects what goes on on this website
Sorry if I might use wrong terms, still I will try to answer, cause this is what I deal with every day.
Would you agree that in case of defamation or even malicious falsehood the affected person should have the right to react against the offender ?
This can only be done if you know who you are reacting to.
And before the first one starts complaining about freedom of expression, which is indeed a fundamental right,
but still you have to make sure that you're not insulting, offending aso anybody else.
The moment criminal law is involved, anonymity on the internet will and has to be abolished.
Not going to happen. The powers that be can chuck as much money and man hours they like, but somebody on the net will find a way to block, hide etc.
If say the UK, set up a division of say 1000 to police the internet, they are taking on probably millions of software programmers who could run rings round them and will do it for fun!
That's why I mentioned legislative power. We need laws (no woolly regulations like we have atm to about 80%) and a scale of proper and adequate penalties.
Ok, I have to admit that I'm not sure about differences to the UK. This is about German law. Still I guess there isn't a lot of a difference.
Trust me, there is no permanent hiding, and there will never be.
No privacy laws then? ... none of that wishy-washy Guardian-reading hippy liberal thinking! If you've done nothing wrong you've got nothing to hide, eh? If you say anything everyone should know exactly who you are... is that right "YesItsMe"?

Night Jack was plod as well and he was evidently of the view that we shouldn't cheerfully surrender to an Orwellian 1984
 
B

Biscuits_AB

Guest
#12
There is no right to privacy in England & Wales. Several high profile people have found that out to their cost. Even when taken to Europe, some have seen their claim under Art 8 ECHR being countered by the opposition's claim to freedom of expression under Art 10 ECHR. For those who create blogs, they cannot realistically expect immunity, given that they are quite prepared to fire sh8t at people from behind anonymous internet identities and would be quite prepared to hide behind Art 10 ECHR, when caught out. He put the blog up for the enjoyment of the public, at the expense of others, so he has no protection nor should he be afforded any.

F*ck him.

Arthur Askey
Chief Constable
 
#13
Archangel said:
YesItsMe said:
leveller said:
YesItsMe said:
Archangel said:
YesItsMe said:
There is no such thing as privacy on the internet.
If you don't want others to know what you write and think, keep it to yourself or keep a diary.
If you got a bit of IT knowledge and some time on your hand, there will be no secret at all.
Wake up, using computer and internet isn't doing magic, it's simple technology.
I agree .... to some extent. Many might argue that in Britain today there is no privacy... period!
But this isn't a case of hacking usernames or wearing a tin foil hat. In this case a High Court Judge (who has a history of... er, controversial decisions) has made a legal ruling that if bloggers say something that disturbs the status quo or p1sses off some people who might not agree with what is being said (surely the essence of blogging) that person has no right to remain annonymous and must be publicly named 8O
You may not agree but I think that's wrong and it certainly affects what goes on on this website
Sorry if I might use wrong terms, still I will try to answer, cause this is what I deal with every day.
Would you agree that in case of defamation or even malicious falsehood the affected person should have the right to react against the offender ?
This can only be done if you know who you are reacting to.
And before the first one starts complaining about freedom of expression, which is indeed a fundamental right,
but still you have to make sure that you're not insulting, offending aso anybody else.
The moment criminal law is involved, anonymity on the internet will and has to be abolished.
Not going to happen. The powers that be can chuck as much money and man hours they like, but somebody on the net will find a way to block, hide etc.
If say the UK, set up a division of say 1000 to police the internet, they are taking on probably millions of software programmers who could run rings round them and will do it for fun!
That's why I mentioned legislative power. We need laws (no woolly regulations like we have atm to about 80%) and a scale of proper and adequate penalties.
Ok, I have to admit that I'm not sure about differences to the UK. This is about German law. Still I guess there isn't a lot of a difference.
Trust me, there is no permanent hiding, and there will never be.
No privacy laws then? ... none of that wishy-washy Guardian-reading hippy liberal thinking! If you've done nothing wrong you've got nothing to hide, eh? If you say anything everyone should know exactly who you are... is that right "YesItsMe"?
Night Jack was plod as well and he was evidently of the view that we shouldn't cheerfully surrender to an Orwellian 1984
Nope you got me wrong.
What I mean is criminal law has always to be on top of privacy law.
If you think about it for a moment, I'm sure you will understand what I mean.
It's not about giving away names and details randomly.
It's just and only in case people come into conflict with the law and you have to defend the rights of another person.
 
#15
YesItsMe said:
Archangel said:
YesItsMe said:
leveller said:
YesItsMe said:
Archangel said:
YesItsMe said:
There is no such thing as privacy on the internet.
If you don't want others to know what you write and think, keep it to yourself or keep a diary.
If you got a bit of IT knowledge and some time on your hand, there will be no secret at all.
Wake up, using computer and internet isn't doing magic, it's simple technology.
I agree .... to some extent. Many might argue that in Britain today there is no privacy... period!
But this isn't a case of hacking usernames or wearing a tin foil hat. In this case a High Court Judge (who has a history of... er, controversial decisions) has made a legal ruling that if bloggers say something that disturbs the status quo or p1sses off some people who might not agree with what is being said (surely the essence of blogging) that person has no right to remain annonymous and must be publicly named 8O
You may not agree but I think that's wrong and it certainly affects what goes on on this website
Sorry if I might use wrong terms, still I will try to answer, cause this is what I deal with every day.
Would you agree that in case of defamation or even malicious falsehood the affected person should have the right to react against the offender ?
This can only be done if you know who you are reacting to.
And before the first one starts complaining about freedom of expression, which is indeed a fundamental right,
but still you have to make sure that you're not insulting, offending aso anybody else.
The moment criminal law is involved, anonymity on the internet will and has to be abolished.
Not going to happen. The powers that be can chuck as much money and man hours they like, but somebody on the net will find a way to block, hide etc.
If say the UK, set up a division of say 1000 to police the internet, they are taking on probably millions of software programmers who could run rings round them and will do it for fun!
That's why I mentioned legislative power. We need laws (no woolly regulations like we have atm to about 80%) and a scale of proper and adequate penalties.
Ok, I have to admit that I'm not sure about differences to the UK. This is about German law. Still I guess there isn't a lot of a difference.
Trust me, there is no permanent hiding, and there will never be.
No privacy laws then? ... none of that wishy-washy Guardian-reading hippy liberal thinking! If you've done nothing wrong you've got nothing to hide, eh? If you say anything everyone should know exactly who you are... is that right "YesItsMe"?
Night Jack was plod as well and he was evidently of the view that we shouldn't cheerfully surrender to an Orwellian 1984
Nope you got me wrong.
What I mean is criminal law has always to be on top of privacy law.
If you think about it for a moment, I'm sure you will understand what I mean.
It's not about giving away names and details randomly.
It's just and only in case people come into conflict with the law and you have to defend the rights of another person.
Sorry YIM :oops: ... Yes, in truth I do see your point and I do largely agree (I'm studying Law myself!) I just got on my hobby-horse about the need to retain some degree of privacy in our society

(I'll put the teddys back in the pram :wink: )
 
#16
Archangel said:
Sorry YIM :oops: ... Yes, in truth I do see your point and I do largely agree (I'm studying Law myself!) I just got on my hobby-horse about the need to retain some degree of privacy in our society

(I'll put the teddys back in the pram :wink: )
Absolutely no problem.
I'm fantastic at using wrong terms in English, so might confuse ppl easily. :oops:
Btw, you couldn't be more right about retaining some degree of privacy.
That's what personal liberty is all about.
 
#17
A serving copper is told that he has no right to privacy, even though his blogg provided a public service by highlighting the pathetic state of the criminal justice system...

meanwhile, a report on politicians expenses has much of the detail removed for "security reasons".

Hmmm...nothing at all hypocritical or suspicious about that... :roll:
 
#20
The_Seagull said:
Fcukface said:
Anyone think ARRSE will be next?
I hope not. I'll be fecked! :(
We will just have to stage the Coup before then! :twisted:
 

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