Bliars Nuremberg Rally - what happens to dissenters

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This old gent was physically thrown out for daring to question one of the Dear Leader's toadies, sorry ministers.

I suspect that next time it will be the camps for him.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4291388.stm

Complaint over heckler treatment

Labour conference organisers are facing complaints they were too heavy handed in throwing out an 82-year-old heckler.

Walter Wolfgang, from London, was ejected from the hall after shouting "nonsense" as Foreign Secretary Jack Straw defended Iraq policy.

Delegate Carol Hayton protested during a later debate that Mr Wolfgang had been "manhandled".

She was told conference organisers were investigating the incident and would report on Thursday.

A man sitting next to Mr Wolfgang was also thrown out after complaining about his treatment.

A Labour Party spokesman said: "Following a disturbance in the visitors' balcony, two people were escorted out, having been asked three times to be quiet."

Ms Hayton told Sir Jeremy Beecham, who was chairing the session: "We are very concerned about the way in which a gentleman of over 80 was manhandled from the balcony.

"Perhaps more appropriate action could have been taken, but this was an 80-year-old gentleman and I am sure that Jack Straw, a politician of great experience, is able to deal with events of this kind without that kind of response from our stewards."

Labour MP Linda Riordan branded the treatment "very heavy-handed".

The Halifax MP's attempt to have Iraq debated at the conference was earlier blocked.

Mr Wolfgang shouted out as Mr Straw told delegates: "We are in Iraq for one reason only to help the elected Iraqi government build a secure, democratic and stable nation."

The party member of 57 years' standing told the BBC 2's Daily Conference Live programme: "These two toughies came round and wanted to manhandle me out.

"I said: 'Do you want me to leave? I will leave, you don't need to manhandle me.' Physically, I am not too well, so I said I would follow them.

"Most of the Labour Party stewards are very nice people. One or two people lend themselves to this nonsense.

"It makes me feel that the people who resort to these tactics are very unsure of themselves and they are on the losing side."
More reasons to hate Bliar:

1. He kept the England cricket team waiting for 20 minutes after summoning them, presumably so they kjnew their place.

2. Rather than travel to Heathrow for a departure to the States, he ordered that a plane should be flown to Gatwick - wasting some 2,000 litres of fuel.
 
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#3
Just seen how the old geezers were manhandled. Did you see the size of the security staff who ejected them........should be facking ashamed of themselves.

Straw.......you're a facking NAZI!
 
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4291424.stm

Another BBC report illustrating what happens to "troublemakers".

Next year it will be summary executions, perhaps using the excuse that they were acting suspiciously and could be terrorists.

Security at Labour's conference has been attacked as "mad and over the top" after an MP's camera was seized and pictures deleted.
Great Grimsby MP Austin Mitchell is furious at what he believes is the unnecessarily tough security at the Brighton conference centre.

He was approached by stewards as he took pictures of delegates queuing to pick up their passes.

The incident comes after an elderly heckler was removed from the hall.

Mr Mitchell, a keen amateur photographer, was taking photographs of the queues when stewards demanded to know what he was doing.

He said: "The police were called over and asked if they could look at my pictures. I said of course they could but I did not want the pictures deleted.

"I kept repeating that I did not want the shots deleted and the police officer said it was alright because he didn't know how to use the camera.

"After he handed it back to me I found he had deleted every picture. This is security gone mad. And what's the point."

"The party has given the security staff absolute carte blanche and they have gone mad. It's completely over the top."

The latest incident came on the day serious complaints were made over the heavy-handed way an elderly heckler was bundled out of the conference hall after accusing Foreign Secretary Jack Straw of lying over Iraq.

Walter Wolfgang, who is in his 80s, was grabbed by two security officers and removed from the main hall.

Another man who then attempted to complain about the treatment was also lifted from his feet and ejected.

"They claim it is all about security, but it is really to cover up the chaos and shambles the security is causing," said Mr Mitchell.

The security officers' behaviour was condemned as "very heavy-handed" by Labour MP Linda Riordan, whose own attempt to have Iraq debated was blocked by conference organisers.

And a protest about the incident was raised on the conference floor by Mole Valley delegate Carol Hayton, who told session chairman Sir Jeremy Beecham: "We are very concerned about the way in which a gentleman of over 80 was manhandled from the balcony.

"Perhaps more appropriate action could have been taken, but this was an 80-year-old gentleman and I am sure that Jack Straw, a politician of great experience, is able to deal with events of this kind without that kind of response from our stewards."

Sir Jeremy said that Labour's Conference Arrangements Committee was looking into the incident and would report back on Wednesday.

Ms Riordan was sitting just a few rows in front of the ejected man when he began shouting.

"He was immediately surrounded by three or four stewards and physically lifted off his feet and bundled out of a side door," she said.

"The treatment was very heavy-handed. It was over the top. "It was tactless and unnecessary.

The Foreign Secretary is perfectly capable, given his experience, of dealing with hecklers."

Ms Riordan's predecessor as Halifax MP, the prominent anti-war campaigner Alice Mahon, also witnessed the incident.

She said: "We were listening to Jack talking about Iraq. This gentleman shouted `That's rubbish, that's a lie'.

"Two or three of the security people dived on him. This other chap a couple of rows in front turned round and said `You must be joking', because this was simple political heckling. He wasn't threatening anybody.

"He got manhandled out as well. I think they were really over the top."

A Labour Party spokesman said: "Following a disturbance in the visitors' balcony, two people were escorted out, having been asked three times to be quiet."

There were similar incidents last year, with one pro-hunting demonstrator removed from the hall when he attempted to heckle Tony Blair during his speech.
 
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Couldn`t believe it when I saw it on the box, could understand the reaction if they were lobbing flour bombs at the speakers but for heckling?? and the old bloke was 82!! Anybody good with photoshop, could you whip up a piccy of Bliar and his cronies in SS uniforms :twisted:
 
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Weren't there accusations of heavy-handed security at the Partei Konferenz last year, when delegates protested about foreign policy?
 
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MrPVRd said:


This old gent was physically thrown out for daring to question one of the Dear Leader's toadies, sorry ministers.

I suspect that next time it will be the camps for him .
If he is the 'Walter Wolfgang' I am thinking of then he is the Vice Chair of CND and has been a party activist since WW2, so I think the man has earned the right to heckle at his own party conference. The other important thing to note about Wolfgang is that man escaped from Nazi Germany just before the outbreak of WW2.
But seriously, I didn't think new labour could get any lower than this :evil:
 
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Blair is so low that he can limbo under a snakes belly whilst wearing a top hat.
 

Cutaway

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Biscuits_AB said:
Just seen how the old geezers were manhandled. Did you see the size of the security staff who ejected them........should be facking ashamed of themselves.

Straw.......you're a facking NAZI!
He's not as easy going as the nazis.


On a different subject I heard this piece of kak on the radio earlier today, explaining why we were in Iraq.

WTF do you mean 'we' white man ?

(Please correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall The Great Satan spending several months there patrolling.)
 
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Cutaway said:
He's not as easy going as the nazis.


On a different subject I heard this piece of kak on the radio earlier today, explaining why we were in Iraq.

WTF do you mean 'we' white man ?

(Please correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall The Great Satan spending several months there patrolling.)
Thought that myself, there was no sign of any of those c*nts in my tent with me while we were being mortared 5 times a day last summer. Tw*ts
 
#11
That appears to be him Castlereagh. An activist of renown. Except when it interferes with the Dear Leader's plans of course.
 
#12
I personally wouldn't want to see any of that lot whilst on Ops. Being away from home is depressing enough most of the time and to have to contend with BLiar's smug grin, Brun's miserable moaning and Straw's ghost like appearance it would push me over the edge. I'd be on suicide watch before the week was out.

Having said that, Blunkett would be funny to have along. What with the "No pets" policy; seeing him blindly wandering the base tripping over stuff would never get boring.

"Blunkett!"
"Yes Sir"
"Grab your kit, you're on sanger duty"
 
#14
Has TCB tired of liberal-democracy and decided to charge straight into autocracy? Are the ‘Party faithful’ soon to be seen wearing colour-coordinated shirts? I despise that man and his corrupt, self-serving cronies.


PS LATEST from the BBC website (no link, it's the scrolling section):

President Bush predicts upsurge in violence ahead of elections in Iraq.
It's hardly rocket science…
 
#15
In 1984, Winston Smith lives in London which is part of the country Oceania. The world is divided into three countries that include the entire globe: Oceania, Eurasia, and Eastasia. Oceania, and both of the others, is a totalitarian society led by Big Brother, which censors everyone’s behavior, even their thoughts. Winston is disgusted with his oppressed life and secretly longs to join the fabled Brotherhood, a supposed group of underground rebels intent on overthrowing the government.

George Orwell 1984

Sound familar? New labour, old stalinist values. If he carries on like this, I'll happily join the revolution.
 
#16
What a bunch of tossers.

Having said that, if I was 82 yrs old and in the same room as Jack Straw, or indeed any of those cnuts, I'd be BEGGING people to carry me out.
 
#19
Pure and total scum - if Straw has any manners (which he doesn't) he will apologise to the Mr Wolfgang personally
From the BBC

Walter Wolfgang, from London, was ejected from the hall after shouting "nonsense" as Foreign Secretary Jack Straw defended Iraq policy.

Police later used powers under the Terrorism Act to prevent him from getting back into the conference venue.
AND

Mr Straw had also compared Iraq to Germany after the World War II, where it had taken four years before elections were held.
I truly hate this government, under this government emigres like Wolfgang who have previously done so much to enrich are intellectual development are no longer welcomed and instead are despised as criminals.
 

Cutaway

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4291388.stm


TheBBC said:
Apology after heckler treatment

Security staff tackle hecklers during Mr Straw's speech
The Labour Party is to apologise to an 82-year-old member who was thrown out of its annual conference for heckling.

Walter Wolfgang, from London, was ejected from the hall after shouting "nonsense" as Foreign Secretary Jack Straw defended Iraq policy.

Police later used powers under the Terrorism Act to prevent him from getting back into the conference venue.

Delegate Carol Hayton protested during a later debate that Mr Wolfgang had been "manhandled".

Mr Wolfgang, who escaped Nazi Germany in 1937, is a member of the Stop the War Coalition.

Erith and Thamesmead constituency party chairman Steve Forrest, who was sitting next to Mr Wolfgang, was also thrown out after complaining about his treatment.

'Heavy-handed'

The Labour Party later said the way Mr Wolfgang was treated was "inappropriate".

"The Labour Party reserves its rights to remove from the conference site people who cause a persistent disturbance," a party spokesman said.

"However it is clear from TV footage that the way in which Mr Wolfgang was removed was inappropriate and the Labour Party will apologise to Mr Wolfgang for this."

Labour said it would be examining the events leading up to the ejection.

Ms Hayton told Sir Jeremy Beecham, who was chairing the session: "We are very concerned about the way in which a gentleman of over 80 was manhandled from the balcony.

"Perhaps more appropriate action could have been taken, but this was an 80-year-old gentleman and I am sure that Jack Straw, a politician of great experience, is able to deal with events of this kind without that kind of response from our stewards."

Labour MP Linda Riordan branded the treatment "very heavy-handed".

The Halifax MP's attempt to have Iraq debated at the conference was earlier blocked.

'Nice people'

Mr Wolfgang shouted out as Mr Straw told delegates: "We are in Iraq for one reason only to help the elected Iraqi government build a secure, democratic and stable nation."

Mr Straw had also compared Iraq to Germany after the World War II, where it had taken four years before elections were held.

The party member of 57 years' standing told the BBC Two's Daily Conference Live programme: "These two toughies came round and wanted to manhandle me out.

"I said: 'Do you want me to leave? I will leave, you don't need to manhandle me.' Physically, I am not too well, so I said I would follow them.

"Most of the Labour Party stewards are very nice people. One or two people lend themselves to this nonsense.

"It makes me feel that the people who resort to these tactics are very unsure of themselves and they are on the losing side."





Note the two parts I highlighted:

Who was it that told us that the Terrorism Act was only going to be used for countering terrorism ?

Police later used powers under the Terrorism Act to prevent him from getting back into the conference venue.
Exactly what Bliar had in mind when the act was rushed through.






"The Labour Party reserves its rights to remove from the conference site people who cause a persistent disturbance," a party spokesman said.
I thought persistent meant insistently repetitive or continuous.
It appears that in Labour Newspeak it means once or a single occasion.

These cnuts need to be removed from power.
I'm just unsure of the method that should be used...


Edit: I hadn't seen Castlereagh's post, but I'll leave mine here too as this misuse of power cannot be mentioned too often.
 

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