Blairs Legacy: A Coastal navy

#1
The Blair government is about to gut the famous Royal Navy by about 50%. In addition the Navy is under funded and under manned. The UK would not be able to conduct a Falklands type amphibious operation, which may explain the Argentine attitude.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/01/05/navy05.xml

The Government has admitted that 13 unnamed warships are in a state of reduced readiness, putting them around 18 months away from active service. Today The Daily Telegraph can name a further six destroyers and frigates that are being proposed for cuts.
The six warships to be mothballed are the Type 22 frigates Cumberland, Chatham, Cornwall and Campbeltown and two Type 42 destroyers Southampton and Exeter.
announce before the April presidential elections that a new carrier will be built.

Two of eight advanced air defence Type 45 destroyers on the Navy's order books will not be bought, defence sources said. The order is already six months behind schedule and £157 million over budget.

A senior officer, currently serving with the Fleet in Portsmouth, said: "What this means is that we are now no better than a coastal defence force or a fleet of dug-out canoes. The Dutch now have a better navy than us."
A very sad state of affairs indeed.
 
#2
Scrap it in its entirety. That way any embarrassing international incidents can be avoided. Job's a good un.
 
#3
I wonder what the point is in ordering carriers in future, if we don't have any escorts for them. A wonderful target for anyone toting a cruise missile that will be, won't it?
 
#4
It's a shocking state of affairs, we will have halved the number of warships that we had at the time of the Falklands (I believe). Given that we are the fourth of fifth largest economy in the world I cannot understand how this can happen.
 
#5
I will have to take this up with my MP!
 
#8
Regarding the Carriers i've never thought that they would be built.The last real carriers that the RN were supposed to have were scrapped by Labour in the 60's(cva-01).
I'm just at a loss to understand Govt thinking on this.At a time when we need strong defences and a presence around the world The Navy is besically being dismantled as a major part of our power projection.
Where does all the money go,the Govt is awash with taxpayers money.At a dangerous time in the world and with China arming at a rapid rate,North Korea becoming a Nuclear state,we're disarming!!
A real "legacy" for Bliar and one that Brown will make even worse!
 
#9
Who's advice are they listening too? There must be some high ranking Navy Officer sat on their shoulders whispering into thier ears. Or perhaps the Army or the RAF are taking out the Navy from the knees down.

Just watch the Argy step up the beligerence. Does Liabour intend apologising to Argentina for the war and perhaps in way of recompense...handing them the islands?
 
#10
Hey, yeah but guys - yoiu know, this Government thing, the Tories, well it all takes time, education education education and tough on the causes of crime. We have a long term program and short term ministers, there will be no corruption - sleaze! The army knows it can have 100% of what it needs!
 
#14
Throw these greedy spin obsessed self serving cnuts out of office at the next election, at least the tories will take 3-6 years to be so greedy and self serving where the country might get a little better.

Oh i forgot, that can't happen becuase like a good drug pusher Lab has made half the nation dependant on their benefits/public sector non-jobs and are vested in the sinking ship.
 
#15
commander-adama said:
Regarding the Carriers i've never thought that they would be built.The last real carriers that the RN were supposed to have were scrapped by Labour in the 60's(cva-01).
I'm just at a loss to understand Govt thinking on this.At a time when we need strong defences and a presence around the world The Navy is besically being dismantled as a major part of our power projection.
Where does all the money go,the Govt is awash with taxpayers money.At a dangerous time in the world and with China arming at a rapid rate,North Korea becoming a Nuclear state,we're disarming!!
A real "legacy" for Bliar and one that Brown will make even worse!
That would be news to the Navy Adama, seeing as The Ministry of Defence is planning to get a variation of the JSF for use by the Royal Navy on two future aircraft carriers.. This article only three months old
 
#16
The Carriers, now there's a cock - up in the making. No escorts, no Fleet Air Arm pilots experienced in landing on a floating runway yet(OK, they'll go to the yanks to get some of that). Oh and erm...no 'planes to go on the flat top...yet !

And, what happened to the planned all-seeing - all dancing Hospital ship to replace RFA ARGUS ? It got binned because the money saved would give each of the 2 carriers an extra few metres in length to accommodate the Fleet Air Arm lengthy landing requirements...IF they get the 'plane.

Sorry lads, it's a sad picture but the treasury has the MoD by the nuts and though the RN have 2 large train sets on order, there has to be a compensatory reduction.

To put it graphically: Imagine an ordinary house , a semi in any town in UK. The garden is ropey and the place needs a bit of love and attention. Wifey wants it sorted, but most the household funding goes to the maintenance of hubby's sparkling wheels parked outside because he's keeping it in mint condition so he can part ex it for a bigger and better set next year. Nice wheels, looks smart, cuts a dash about the works car park, but he lives on bangers and mash and the credit card company is always on his back. Result, family arguments and tensions.

Sad for the RN, but they're an expensive crowd. As for the RAF ? Sod 'em.

Don't get me going on Trident ! By the time the get the plans on the drawing board all the expertise will have retired and the nation's youth are too thick to pick up the baton (or welding torch etc). Any budding Radio-active plumbers out there ? !

Time for pint already, I think.
 
#19
commander-adama said:
.At a dangerous time in the world and with China arming at a rapid rate,North Korea becoming a Nuclear state, we're disarming!!
Didn`t the UK government of the day do a similar thing in the mid `30s, and look what happened then 8O
 
#20
According to here and here, a Carrier Task group consists of a Type 42 Destroyer and a Frigate (in this case French) with an RFA in attendence, augmented at times (in the second instance) by a submarine a second frigate and a forward repair ship.

In 2000 we sent a task group to the Persian Gulf which included a carrier group of "HMS ILLUSTRIOUS, HMS MONMOUTH a Type 23 Frigate, HMS GLOUCESTER a Type 42 Destroyer and a Support Ship" Article here

Will we not be able to spare one destroyer and one frigate given that for each carrier, as the Telegraph article assures us, "the Royal Navy will discontinue one of its major commitments around the world" - according to 'sources' of course
 

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