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Blair promises more for troops

#1
Here

With a promise of extra equipment, a pay review and word from the man on high itself, could the fortunes of HMAF be about to change?

Dare we allow ourselves the smallest sliver of hope and optimism?

Dare we dream that the day has come when our PM appreciates us?

Meh.
 
#5
British forces in Afghanistan will be provided with whatever resources they need, the prime minister has said.

Speaking to the British forces on the fifth anniversary of UK operations in the country, Tony Blair said: "Whatever package they want, we will do."

He said this included providing more armoured vehicles and more helicopters.

He praised the courage displayed during a "very tough" operation, saying it was still "lawless" in the south where most troops were based.

Mr Blair said in an interview for the British forces' own TV and radio service: "It's not surprising that as a mission proceeds so you make adjustments as to what is necessary [and] what's not necessary, but whatever they want we will do."

He also said that the government was expected to announce "in the next few weeks" details of "the package we provide for our troops when they're abroad fighting". He did not elaborate.


With 40 soldiers killed since September 2001, and high casualties in the past three months, Mr Blair was asked on the British Forces TV and Radio why troops are in Afghanistan.

In September alone, seven soldiers died due to hostile action and 14 died when a helicopter crashed due to a mechanical fault.

Mr Blair said they were there to stop Afghanistan once again becoming a training ground for "al-Qaeda and the Taleban to export terrorism right round the world".

"So what our troops are doing in Afghanistan is of fundamental importance not just to the security of our country but [to] global security."

British troops are mainly based in southern province of Helmand, in a situation described by Mr Blair as "very, very tough".

He praised the troops' efforts, saying they had been "truly courageous" in fighting the Taleban and that their morale was high.

He denied any suggestion that the government was trying to downplay the seriousness of the situation for UK troops, nor had it underestimated the danger.

Medical care

"It was always going to be tough. In some senses whenever you go into a battlefield situation like that, there are always things that you learn, there are always things that come at you in a more intense way then you expect," Mr Blair said.

The government has recently been criticised over the conditions and medical treatment for troops fighting in Afghanistan and Iraq.

There have also been complaints about the lack of dedicated military hospital facilities in the UK.

Mr Blair said when troops were injured on the battlefield, they were transferred to NHS services because "the specialist care for some of the injuries has to be of the top quality".

He added that the government was looking at the possibility of "military managed wards" but "to go back to the old military hospitals I don't think would be sensible in this day and age".
 
#7
the_matelot said:
In September alone, seven soldiers died due to hostile action and 14 died when a helicopter crashed due to a mechanical fault.
Good to see the BBC being accurate with their facts..... :x
Have already fired off an editorial complaint. Idiots.

Edited to add: It's now been corrected.
 
#11
Don't forget folks,this is the bloke that was elected on lies and this was the bloke that took us to war on lies.So who the hell is gonnie trust him now?Labour have never ever given the armed forces a decent wage or conditions.It has been 'cut cut cut' with them for decades,any more cuts and we will be sending the cadets and salvation army to trouble spots around the world.DON'T TRUST THE EEJIT ONE BIT!
 
#12
Chalky said:
but "to go back to the old military hospitals I don't think would be sensible in this day and age".
and there's the clue ' in this day and age' when Tony ' not a straight word comes out of my mouth' Bliar has committed British forces all over the place to boost his US speaking tour price tag, he insists on wounded servicemen being treated by 'his wonderfull' NHS.

This is all going to be spin control, they have identified that this is now an issue with the voters and are laying smoke.

Lads do not ease springs, keep the pressure up, in fact increase it.
 
#13
armchair_jihad said:
Chalky said:
but "to go back to the old military hospitals I don't think would be sensible in this day and age".
and there's the clue ' in this day and age' when Tony ' not a straight word comes out of my mouth' Bliar has committed British forces all over the place to boost his US speaking tour price tag, he insists on wounded servicemen being treated by 'his wonderfull' NHS.

This is all going to be spin control, they have identified that this is now an issue with the voters and are laying smoke.

Lads do not ease springs, keep the pressure up, in fact increase it.
Pardon me ignorance,but have you guys ever thought of kicking out the incumbents and voting in the Conservative party? Seems to me everyone is always talking about replacing the individual politician and not the machinery that keeps him spinning.
 
#15
Chalky said:
Dare we allow ourselves the smallest sliver of hope and optimism?

Dare we dream that the day has come when our PM appreciates us?
No and no.

Might I refer you to the PM's previous promises. (Education, Edjucation, Ejukashun; Tough on crime; I'll personally get immigration under control; No rise in taxation; Saddam has WMDs; The NHS is safe in my hands etc etc etc). If this guy said sky is blue and grass is green, I'd be suspicious.

What the PM appreciates is that the government's mistreatment of the armed forces is causing significant outrage which is hurting Labour in the polls. The abused paratrooper incident and subsequent stories of wounded squaddies in bunk beds at at Selly Oak has brought things to a head. He's now attempting to defuse the situation by making a speech that everybody will have forgotten about by the elections in May.
 
#16
armchair_jihad said:
We think of it all of the time mate, Bliar has subverted his own Party so badly that come the next election most card carrying members will vote elsewhere.
Once again ,pardon my ignorance. Does the English constitution allow for the equivalent of an impeachment?I vaguely remember that Maggie was forced out by her party and so was John Major.

Is there a mechanism where the opposition can force a vote of no confidence?Over here in Scepticstan,the right of the citizens to kick out a goverment by violent means is enshrined in the constitution.Not that I would want to see that happen in Britain but are you all protected if you decided to exercise this very sensible course?
 
#17
I have just watched dear Leader give his 'Troops will have all they need' speech.
Pure 100 % Snake oil Salesman.
john
He can still do that wided eye mouth open Plea to our better side. Fools so many, but as some one once said
You can fool all of the people some of the time
and you can fool some of the people all of the time
but ya can't fool all of the people all of the time.
The left wing of Labour has always hated Blur even more then they Hate Margret.
 
#18
jonwilly said:
I have just watched dear Leader give his 'Troops will have all they need' speech.
Pure 100 % Snake oil Salesman.
john
He can still do that wided eye mouth open Plea to our better side. Fools so many, but as some one once said
You can fool all of the people some of the time
and you can fool some of the people all of the time
but ya can't fool all of the people all of the time.
The left wing of Labour has always hated Blur even more then they Hate Margret.
Im sailing in uncharted waters here.So why is Blair so unpopular?A few years back over here, I saw on Tv people holding "Blair for president" placards.As a matter of fact some polls alleged that he was more popular in the US than Bush was.I've seen him speak and he is quiet the charmer.In the news conferences he has done in the Whitehouse, he has come out looking like a college professor while Bush stood by looking like a high school dropout.

Other than than the Iraq fiasco, why is he so detested?Or is it just Arrsers?
 
#19
Devil_Dog said:
armchair_jihad said:
We think of it all of the time mate, Bliar has subverted his own Party so badly that come the next election most card carrying members will vote elsewhere.
Once again ,pardon my ignorance. Does the English constitution allow for the equivalent of an impeachment?I vaguely remember that Maggie was forced out by her party and so was John Major.

Is there a mechanism where the opposition can force a vote of no confidence?Over here in Scepticstan,the right of the citizens to kick out a goverment by violent means is enshrined in the constitution.Not that I would want to see that happen in Britain but are you all protected if you decided to exercise this very sensible course?
There exist multiple routes, having HM dismiss him and his government, or dissolving parliament being two. Having Parliament bring a vote of no confidence against the government is another, which is very easy to lose, but first it has to be initiated which is so very very rare. And the last big one is having his own party rebel against him, and have them select a new party leader.

Unfortunately, none are likely.
 
#20
Devil-Dog, I can honestly say that the errors of the Blair government are varied and many and one humble forum isn't going to be enough to catalogue them all.

My own personal feelings are that, on balance, he hasn't been a dreadful Prime Minister, but neither has he been all that we were promised in 1997. In fact, quite far from it. He has, in a leadership sense, set out a clear vision of reform and, for good or ill - which I personally believe it's too early to tell - carried out a great chunk of them, as his speech to the Labour party conference spelled out.

What he has done is let the country down and sold us short of so much that he promised. Many of reforms fell before they achieved anything, so much has been wasted and so much has been underdelivered. This country has given him nine years of liebensraum and nine years of 'remember what it was like under the Tories; it can never be that bad again' which he has all but used up by dragging us from one international quagmire and political cluster-fcuk to another.

I don't think I'm alone in this sense of betrayal. On paper there are improvements, although many of my more vitriolic peers would have you believe otherwise, but the country no longer has any belief in the political system, and the concept of trust in a politician has been truly spent.

I'm not angry; I'm disappointed, which, as any child will tell you, is much, much worse.
 

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