Blair orders review of Armed Forces pay and conditions

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Blair orders review of Armed Forces' pay and conditions
02.10.06

Tony Blair has ordered a review of the whole support package available to Armed Forces personnel, Downing Street said today.

The disclosure follows calls for servicemen and women to be exempt from income tax while serving abroad, amid claims that some troops are being paid less than the minimum wage of £5.35 an hour.


http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/...f+Armed+Forces'+pay+and+conditions/article.do
 
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Nope, that's the hospitals overspend and the idea that we can run the hospitals more efficiently in future with less wards/nurses and shorter hospital stays for planned operations. A sort of "just in time" system for elective surgery.

"Agenda for change" was supposed to set up a pay system for the whole NHS that is fair. It gave some groups in the NHS a decent pay rise.
 
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That's interesting....I'm sure I read somewhere in the Torygraph that Cameron has promised to look into the idea. Wonder which politician came up with the idea first.

I'll see if I can find a link...............
 
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eveyuk said:
"Agenda for change" was supposed to set up a pay system for the whole NHS that is fair. It gave some groups in the NHS a decent pay rise.
My profession has come out nicely from it, but others :roll: .......so I can now earn a good whack more out than in!!!!!
 
#11
Lets look at this one shall we. Sprog fresh out of the factory lets say £35 a day. Now circumstances dictate you end up having to work a full 24 hour day (not so uncommon, even on exercise)

£35/24 hours = £1.46 ph

Bit far off minimum wage yet...
 
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One more to add on that, weve been whinging about this since Telic 1 and nothing ever got done back then
 
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One thing the Govt could to maximum value do is to influence local housing authorities to treat HM Forces (at least) equally with other public sector employees. New initiative announced today

The Government has today launched a scheme to get more people on the property ladder. Open Market HomeBuy is one of a series of HomeBuy products designed to provide help in buying a home.

It builds on the success of the earlier Open Market HomeBuy scheme, launched in the spring of this year. A greater number of people will be able to enjoy the benefits of the scheme as a result of the changes.

Open Market HomeBuy offers certain groups of potential buyers access to two equity loans totalling 25% of a property’s value. The first is from one of four lenders taking part in the scheme and the second is from the Government and is administered by a network of housing associations known as HomeBuy Agents.

It is open to existing housing association and council tenants, people on housing waiting lists for social rented housing who are nominated by their local council as being in housing need, key public sector workers – such as nurses and firefighters – in London, the South East and the East of England, and some other priority first time buyers.



Link is

Interestingly, trawling through the bumph, it appears that is available to HM Forces in some areas (Winchester) but not others (London & most
other areas).

Suggest some ARSSE driven pressure would allow us to be treated as equals ?...we DO pay taxes too.
 
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Blair orders review of Armed Forces' pay and conditions

Tony Blair has ordered a review of the whole support package available to Armed Forces personnel, Downing Street said today.

The disclosure follows calls for servicemen and women to be exempt from income tax while serving abroad, amid claims that some troops are being paid less than the minimum wage of £5.35 an hour.

The Prime Minister's official spokesman rejected suggestions that British personnel received a raw deal compared with troops from other countries.

Nevertheless, he said that Mr Blair had ordered a review of their conditions.

"The Prime Minister asked several weeks ago that the whole package of support for the Armed Forces should be looked at. That whole process of review should become available shortly," the spokesman said.

He said that in surveys carried out in 2002 and 2005 into the pay and conditions offered by forces in other Nato and Commonwealth countries, Britain came out "around the top of the table".

Throughout their careers, all service personnel receive a 13 per cent allowance on top of their basic salaries.
 
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"Before the measures come into effect the Armed Forces Pay Review Body must agree the blueprint — and it needs the Cabinet’s blessing."


Parameters for the AFPRB are:

"In reaching its recommendations, the Review Body is to have regard to the following considerations:
• the need to recruit, retain and motivate suitably able and qualified people taking account of the particular circumstances of Service life;
• Government policies for improving public services, including the requirement on the MoD to meet the output targets for the delivery of departmental services;
• the funds available to the Ministry."

Quote from the Sun so if it is true will not take effect until next Apr, not a lot of use for those currenlty on Ops but I guess better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick. Despite CoC concerns my money is on Tax free on ops rather than across the ranks pay rise as will in the long term be more affordable as it will mean Treasury wil seek to place even tighter limits on headroom in Op Theatres.

Of course the parameters for the AFPRB mean that nothing will happen on affordability grounds without cuts!!
 
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1. The pressure must be maintained on this until the results of the review are announced.

2. It must be made clear that the funding for any pay/conditions improvements CANNOT be provided from the existing budgets and must be given over and above the current defence budget.
 
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So what happens if/when Gordon Brown takes over?

Is he going to pull the UK away from supporting the US? Which would win him lots of support within the Labour Party and in the wider country if the polls are to be believed.

In which case, he won't need to offer better packages to the Armed Forces.
 
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The spin and bollox from the Ministry has started.

They are now saying that the review will examine whether there is a case to introduce operational pay. HM IR&C will be asked on their ruling that the pay of Service personnel is fully taxable in UK wherever they are deployed. There is no expectation that IR&C will change their position and, indeed, it may not be helpful to Service personnel if they did as they would presumably then be liable to tax in the host country

So once again as soon as we start to make progress we are stabbed in the back by the bean counters and their allies in the Treasury. I know that the US and Aussies I am currently working with do not face the crud that has just been iterated by the MoD about being subject to local income tax, which bit do these f**kwits undertsand about being on operations and the dangers entailed.

May not be helpful in whose eyes? Where is this moron, lets put him in one of the Platoon Houses in Sangin/Musa Qala or downtown Basra on the streets and let im understand inn whose eyes it may be helpful. F**ktard!!!!
 
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I agree that the Treasury will take a dim view of this! The MoD will be able to say "we tried" and blame someone else. The rules of Inland Revenue and Customs are designed for the millions of PAYE wage-slaves in this nation, not the snout-troughs at the top of the tree. I recall that the pensions of the judiciary and MPs are in breach of IR&C rules and we all know of the rich and well-connected ("Lord" Levy) who pay as little tax as possible.

Even if pay was increased substantially (which it certainly should be for the most junior ranks) or tax was suspended on operations, the increased costs would be clawed back through FQ charges and suchlike.

Nevertheless, we must keep on pushing because you never know, it might work!
 

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