Black Tie

#1
Having over the past few years been to a number of black tie dinners, balls & functions, when did it become acceptable/de rigeur for some people to wear blue velvet jackets?

I have seen this a number of times, even once with a pair of trews which looked frankly awful (the jacket not the trews!)
 
#2
Horses for courses. It depends on where the party/ dinner is being held. If it is ultra formal and off your home turf I would advise against. Of course, the jacket doesn't have to be blue, there are all sorts of variations, red, green etc.

I'm with you on the whole 'trews' thing - if you really are that jock then wear a skirt!
 
#3
Blue velvet DJ and trews? Why are you dining with Ronnie Corbett?
 
#4
hairymonster1006 said:
Horses for courses. It depends on where the party/ dinner is being held. If it is ultra formal and off your home turf I would advise against. Of course, the jacket doesn't have to be blue, there are all sorts of variations, red, green etc.

I'm with you on the whole 'trews' thing - if you really are that jock then wear a skirt!
I'm actually a fan of the trews! But the velvet jacket look is just a bizarre one.
 
#5
hairymonster1006 said:
Horses for courses. It depends on where the party/ dinner is being held. If it is ultra formal and off your home turf I would advise against. Of course, the jacket doesn't have to be blue, there are all sorts of variations, red, green etc.

I'm with you on the whole 'trews' thing - if you really are that jock then wear a skirt!
If it was ultra formal you'd be wearing white tie and tails :D

Taken that it was after 1800 hrs or sunset!
 
#6
blonde_guy said:
hairymonster1006 said:
Horses for courses. It depends on where the party/ dinner is being held. If it is ultra formal and off your home turf I would advise against. Of course, the jacket doesn't have to be blue, there are all sorts of variations, red, green etc.

I'm with you on the whole 'trews' thing - if you really are that jock then wear a skirt!
I'm actually a fan of the trews! But the velvet jacket look is just a bizarre one.
Not if you're Ronnie Corbett...... http://www.andoveradvertiser.co.uk/....Strictly_Ronnie_steps_in_for_Brucie/?ref=rss
 

cpunk

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#7
Entirely acceptable if you dress for dinner at home* but don't want to appear too formal with your wife and servants. On the other hand, if you wear it when you go out, you'll look a bit naff.


Edited to add:

*If you live in the country that is. Definitely not acceptable in London or any of the major provincial towns.
 
#8
hairymonster1006 said:
Horses for courses. It depends on where the party/ dinner is being held. If it is ultra formal and off your home turf I would advise against. Of course, the jacket doesn't have to be blue, there are all sorts of variations, red, green etc.

I'm with you on the whole 'trews' thing - if you really are that jock then wear a skirt!
I would agree but then would point out that trews are correct form after staff parade.
 

udipur

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#9
Since midnight blue and ruffles used to be frightfully de rigeur, I don't think that there is a 'form' any more. Having seen some of the ghastly efforts in the City (shiny suits, rented wing collars with no starch, polyester ties, shoes I wouldn't use to dig the garden) I think, if you have the right panache, you can get away with anything.

Who are you really trying to impress?
 
#10
Haven't attended a black tie function in the UK for a couple of decades though I've noticed in recent years, from photographs contemporaries have sent me, more and more serving and retired officers (ex Lowland Regiments) attending non military black tie functions wearing trews of their family/clan tartan with their dinner jackets. It looks quite decent though was not done in my day - when did it creep in?
 
#11
IMHO it depends on the stated dress for the even.

If stated as black tie then it has to be black tie and a tuxedo.

If stated as evening wear or dinner jackets then variations on the theme are welcome.
 
#12
Busterdog said:
Haven't attended a black tie function in the UK for a couple of decades though I've noticed in recent years, from photographs contemporaries have sent me, more and more serving and retired officers (ex Lowland Regiments) attending non military black tie functions wearing trews of their family/clan tartan with their dinner jackets. It looks quite decent though was not done in my day - when did it creep in?
Not sure really, but I've seen it a lot and think it looks good. As long as you have a solid connection to a tartan, go for it.

Incidentally, where is a good place to buy tartan material (with a view to tailoring) or trews themselves?
 
#13
blonde_guy said:
Busterdog said:
Haven't attended a black tie function in the UK for a couple of decades though I've noticed in recent years, from photographs contemporaries have sent me, more and more serving and retired officers (ex Lowland Regiments) attending non military black tie functions wearing trews of their family/clan tartan with their dinner jackets. It looks quite decent though was not done in my day - when did it creep in?
Not sure really, but I've seen it a lot and think it looks good. As long as you have a solid connection to a tartan, go for it.

Incidentally, where is a good place to buy tartan material (with a view to tailoring) or trews themselves?
If you have no family connections, go for Government Tartan, so long as you have served in some capacity, then you have every right.
 
#14
Bullshot! said:
blonde_guy said:
Busterdog said:
Haven't attended a black tie function in the UK for a couple of decades though I've noticed in recent years, from photographs contemporaries have sent me, more and more serving and retired officers (ex Lowland Regiments) attending non military black tie functions wearing trews of their family/clan tartan with their dinner jackets. It looks quite decent though was not done in my day - when did it creep in?
Not sure really, but I've seen it a lot and think it looks good. As long as you have a solid connection to a tartan, go for it.

Incidentally, where is a good place to buy tartan material (with a view to tailoring) or trews themselves?
If you have no family connections, go for Government Tartan, so long as you have served in some capacity, then you have every right.
I have family connections so not worried about that part really.
 
#15
blonde_guy said:
Busterdog said:
Haven't attended a black tie function in the UK for a couple of decades though I've noticed in recent years, from photographs contemporaries have sent me, more and more serving and retired officers (ex Lowland Regiments) attending non military black tie functions wearing trews of their family/clan tartan with their dinner jackets. It looks quite decent though was not done in my day - when did it creep in?
Not sure really, but I've seen it a lot and think it looks good. As long as you have a solid connection to a tartan, go for it.

Incidentally, where is a good place to buy tartan material (with a view to tailoring) or trews themselves?
Geoffrey Tailors, right at the top of the Royal Mile in Edinburgh. He does fittings in London monthly too I believe.
 
#16
broken_man said:
blonde_guy said:
Busterdog said:
Haven't attended a black tie function in the UK for a couple of decades though I've noticed in recent years, from photographs contemporaries have sent me, more and more serving and retired officers (ex Lowland Regiments) attending non military black tie functions wearing trews of their family/clan tartan with their dinner jackets. It looks quite decent though was not done in my day - when did it creep in?
Not sure really, but I've seen it a lot and think it looks good. As long as you have a solid connection to a tartan, go for it.

Incidentally, where is a good place to buy tartan material (with a view to tailoring) or trews themselves?
Geoffrey Tailors, right at the top of the Royal Mile in Edinburgh. He does fittings in London monthly too I believe.
Ask for Tristram - no wah! He'll sort ye oot.
 
#18
blonde_guy said:
Busterdog said:
Haven't attended a black tie function in the UK for a couple of decades though I've noticed in recent years, from photographs contemporaries have sent me, more and more serving and retired officers (ex Lowland Regiments) attending non military black tie functions wearing trews of their family/clan tartan with their dinner jackets. It looks quite decent though was not done in my day - when did it creep in?
Not sure really, but I've seen it a lot and think it looks good. As long as you have a solid connection to a tartan, go for it.

Incidentally, where is a good place to buy tartan material (with a view to tailoring) or trews themselves?
Try Kinloch Anderson - they have a website.
 

udipur

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Book Reviewer
#19
blonde_guy said:
Bullshot! said:
blonde_guy said:
Busterdog said:
Haven't attended a black tie function in the UK for a couple of decades though I've noticed in recent years, from photographs contemporaries have sent me, more and more serving and retired officers (ex Lowland Regiments) attending non military black tie functions wearing trews of their family/clan tartan with their dinner jackets. It looks quite decent though was not done in my day - when did it creep in?
Not sure really, but I've seen it a lot and think it looks good. As long as you have a solid connection to a tartan, go for it.

Incidentally, where is a good place to buy tartan material (with a view to tailoring) or trews themselves?
If you have no family connections, go for Government Tartan, so long as you have served in some capacity, then you have every right.
I have family connections so not worried about that part really.
Everyone has the right to make up their own tartan. The whole concept is relatively modern, hailing from the Victorian times, when the higher elements of society wanted to proclaim some unspoken connection to Scotland, that land which was currently in vogue as some small woman with lots of German relations went on holiday there.

I cannot abide my family tartan so I opt for the clan one. Maybe one day I'll get bored and make one up for a special occasion... Any suggestions...?
 
#20
Personally I can never be arrsed to wear a stiff fronted shirt, whether ladies are there or not. I also tend not to put my spurs on, since the "Great falling down the stairs drunk into a pool of dog wee" incident at the Tower of London. Great night otherwise.
 
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